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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:257458 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: >> Make sure that the header-line face does *not* inherit the >> variable-pitch face. > > My header-line face uses the same variable pitch face as my mode line, > so I'm not sure why you say the above. > > There are indeed several uses of the header-line that need/want to be > aligned with the buffer's content (typically for tabular formats), which > I bumped into back when I started using a variable pitch face for the > mode/header-lines, but these should be fixed in any case (for those > people like me who use a variable pitch face), and I have indeed fixed > those cases that I saw (e.g. `list-buffers`, `list-packages`, > `csv-mode`, `ses-mode`, ...). mu4e=E2=80=99s *mu4e-headers* buffer has a header line (=E2=80=9CDate=E2=80= =9D, =E2=80=9CFlgs=E2=80=9D, =E2=80=9CList=E2=80=9D, =E2=80=9CFrom=E2=80=9D, =E2=80=9CSubject=E2=80=9D), which no longer lines u= p with the contents of the buffer when the mode-line face inherits from variable-pitch. I suspect that other packages would suffer from the same problem (and we can=E2=80=99t fix this for them all), so perhaps it would be a good idea to override the inheritance of header-line by default. --=20 Ricardo