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[109.13.143.200]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id y7sm658432wmg.40.2020.10.13.11.39.13 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 13 Oct 2020 11:39:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5f7af512-7951-4e10-a8a1-4f5d07ee6cda@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Tue, 13 Oct 2020 10:31:39 -0700 (PDT)") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::336; envelope-from=kevin.legouguec@gmail.com; helo=mail-wm1-x336.google.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: No matching host in p0f cache. That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:257551 Archived-At: Drew Adams writes: > 4. If we do choose to overwrite (hide) something > in order to show output in a temporary way, then > IMO it's better to overwrite/hide some buffer > text, or the mode-line, than it is to do that > to minibuffer input. > > The last thing we should hide or interfere with > is the immediate user interaction (responding to > a prompt by providing text input). Emacs is no stranger to popping up windows when the user needs to be alerted of something (e.g. disabled-command-function). Maybe, when the echo area is unavailable, `message' could=E2=80=A6 - pop up the *Messages* buffer, highlighting the latest message (or creating a window that's only tall enough for this message), - arrange for *Messages* to be buried when the user exits the minibuffer, and for a reminder about C-h e to be messaged?