From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: How to make Emacs popular again: Use monospaced fonts less Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2020 07:06:08 +0200 Message-ID: <87sgaesqtb.fsf@gnus.org> References: <835z7qfp6h.fsf@gnu.org> <87ft6lgw5y.fsf_-_@gnus.org> <1F8F3522-1E6C-40A3-B61A-B9B84FC0AD18@gnu.org> <87blh9gthg.fsf@gnus.org> <87tuv1f2y9.fsf@gnus.org> <87o8l9f1dl.fsf@gnus.org> <83lfgc50gb.fsf@gnu.org> <875z7gflpl.fsf@gnus.org> <83imbf2xux.fsf@gnu.org> <87lfgbarkk.fsf@gnus.org> <83zh4q195b.fsf@gnu.org> <87sgah1mjz.fsf@gnus.org> <83r1q0zwlp.fsf@gnu.org> <87wnzsyofc.fsf@gnus.org> <83k0vry4cu.fsf@gnu.org> <87v9fbwpjr.fsf@gnus.org> <83ft6fy3c2.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="7669"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 16 07:07:25 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kTHxd-0001t6-4V for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 07:07:25 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33654 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kTHxc-0000yG-6e for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 01:07:24 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:35236) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kTHwX-0000WO-U1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 01:06:17 -0400 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2]:40466) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kTHwV-0004fX-H5; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 01:06:17 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=O059iOwEYl8f7/YckkNn4CXLQroK1NHF4seI79/+onc=; b=ci/cnXqpFBv2z3ONoFDpSNOSuH w4M3zxrDjB95TviQC6LyerpgwE4/AXaqT04CJyyI+BXxlQZc7GdBGcdqp3mXa9caVwbAySpOEpXLV s9dFSygP/6hA2lOTjX0BYwIhLHevZU/abvqwxV7RRUrvN8yFfzmnOz695mMLru1FjPn4=; Original-Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kTHwQ-00079v-EB; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 07:06:13 +0200 Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwAgMAAAAqbBEUAAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAADFBMVEXW0sqJgHMmJST/ //8NscnUAAAAAWJLR0QDEQxM8gAAAAd0SU1FB+QKEAQ0B3nvcoIAAAF6SURBVCjPRZHBTuMwEIZ/ R3FEc2KlBlGfYSX6FO4KOKeotrQ5bxHkKbrSqmezUnPgFFCK8DwlM25TRoqcb/7MzB8PkKIGlnKe 8VO4WyiBKRznXfpA33lXm72FYs4kX9Ie98QKq8oQxYYsqgVQEQ2eIis1ZjsiCopqKOtdyRDROujK oSX6oP2zRT7Ni6YjCZk51cZWrwm4da6htVRJtAEPkahPhuh+VazX7S4p1PBgFyfy7iie89ELVE1c s9dsk7PJztPqt8VEVO081UWwf6SiuvH0fxGykGDX0IC6tAK+M/QJXKYh5b+frCBPSrFaUmDzh/s7 38x7NcLSGnZiD7BA2fU4hkX5FnCKi74ea9jjW/2tKP6F1Qh5i+sfp7Kn/CrbHZvjBk+/tiPM+8/i /QTD0Axjx/nLYGI1wvbF8KquE5htKCnoR5lpTfeXV2RbcRPMx63nu56JspmTbmSTcj9o48QftoVn FWk2Qsxia457VJSyCZSUUpSd7r8ADi2IHHCSwcQAAAAldEVYdGRhdGU6Y3JlYXRlADIwMjAtMTAt MTZUMDQ6NTI6MDcrMDA6MDDNcNd0AAAAJXRFWHRkYXRlOm1vZGlmeQAyMDIwLTEwLTE2VDA0OjUy OjA3KzAwOjAwvC1vyAAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== X-Now-Playing: Liaisons Dangereuses's _Liaisons Dangereuses_: "Etre assis ou danser" In-Reply-To: <83ft6fy3c2.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 15 Oct 2020 17:24:29 +0300") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2; envelope-from=larsi@gnus.org; helo=quimby.gnus.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: No matching host in p0f cache. That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:257772 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > The idea is to interpret "12" in units of the canonical frame's > character width, and do the calculations in pixels. I think this is > good enough, as I don't envision a need for Lisp programs to fine-tune > the position at pixel granularity. Yeah, that probably wouldn't be very useful. So the %12b thing sound good to me. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no