From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: scratch/command 064f146 1/2: Change command to interactive ... modes Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2021 19:45:50 +0200 Organization: LINKOV.NET Message-ID: <87sg5uprd9.fsf@mail.linkov.net> References: <20210213141225.11309.86562@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org> <87r1liblzb.fsf@gnus.org> <83y2fq9f0v.fsf@gnu.org> <87k0r8xl7y.fsf@gnus.org> <834kic9g0a.fsf@gnu.org> <8735xwvusc.fsf@gnus.org> <83v9as7xns.fsf@gnu.org> <87pn10ueld.fsf@gnus.org> <83r1lf9apm.fsf@gnu.org> <87a6s3vrnd.fsf@gnus.org> <83o8gj9a8o.fsf@gnu.org> <871rdfvq86.fsf@gnus.org> <83h7mb98g8.fsf@gnu.org> <87o8gjuaez.fsf@gnus.org> <83ft1v97bk.fsf@gnu.org> <877dn7u7wq.fsf@gnus.org> <835z2r94zw.fsf@gnu.org> <87h7mbdpou.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="4616"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org, Lars Ingebrigtsen , dgutov@yandex.ru To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 17 18:57:08 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lCR4W-00015t-7w for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 17 Feb 2021 18:57:08 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52098 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lCR4V-0003Vt-Ax for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 17 Feb 2021 12:57:07 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:52454) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lCR28-0000rM-1c for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Feb 2021 12:54:40 -0500 Original-Received: from relay9-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.199]:45139) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lCR24-0006hz-NQ; Wed, 17 Feb 2021 12:54:39 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 91.129.96.116 Original-Received: from mail.gandi.net (m91-129-96-116.cust.tele2.ee [91.129.96.116]) (Authenticated sender: juri@linkov.net) by relay9-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 94447FF807; Wed, 17 Feb 2021 17:54:31 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: (Stefan Kangas's message of "Wed, 17 Feb 2021 05:16:15 -0500") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.70.183.199; envelope-from=juri@linkov.net; helo=relay9-d.mail.gandi.net X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:265031 Archived-At: >>> To my mind, if two forms of writing the same thing are equally clear and >>> easy to understand, the less verbose one is often the better choice. >>> But I would claim that the more verbose form in this case is less clear >>> and harder to understand. >> >> The question is how this form is less clear and harder to understand: > > That's fair enough. But it also seems like a pathological case. I see nothing pathological here - this is a quite common case, maybe a little longer than others. But such valid cases should not be dismissed lightly. It would be more hassle and error-prone to support such long interactive specs with a mode name dangling at the end. > (If we support both forms, you could choose the one that is more clear.) I see no need to support both.