From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Protesilaos Stavrou Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [ELPA] Add 'logos' package Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2022 18:53:35 +0200 Message-ID: <87sfro2zxs.fsf@protesilaos.com> References: <87sfropxhx.fsf@protesilaos.com> <87y21gbngr.fsf@protesilaos.com> <87v8wkbneg.fsf@protesilaos.com> <87wnh0bh1i.fsf@posteo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="22744"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Notmuch/0.35 (https://notmuchmail.org) Emacs/29.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Cc: Stefan Monnier , emacs-devel To: Philip Kaludercic Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Mar 11 17:55:29 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nSiY4-0005lK-RX for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 11 Mar 2022 17:55:28 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53264 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nSiY3-00007p-OL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 11 Mar 2022 11:55:27 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:49586) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nSiWP-0007UX-37 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Mar 2022 11:53:45 -0500 Original-Received: from relay3-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.195]:49459) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nSiWN-00078Z-3v for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Mar 2022 11:53:44 -0500 Original-Received: (Authenticated sender: public@protesilaos.com) by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BBE1460002; Fri, 11 Mar 2022 16:53:36 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <87wnh0bh1i.fsf@posteo.net> Received-SPF: none client-ip=217.70.183.195; envelope-from=info@protesilaos.com; helo=relay3-d.mail.gandi.net X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:287023 Archived-At: On 2022-03-11, 16:16 +0000, Philip Kaludercic wrote: > Protesilaos Stavrou writes: > >> [ Sorry! Forgot to include emacs-devel. ] > > You should be able to edit and resend a message if that happens. > >>> [ Read below ] >>> >>>> PS: More seriously, I wonder why you named it "logos" which to me >>>> doesn't suggest much more than "language", which would seem to be >>>> only distantly related to focusing on "a page at a time" display. >>> >>> I thought it relates to "language" since it might help with reading, >>> writing, presenting/talking, reasoning (another meaning of "logos"). >>> Also because I could not think of a better name... >>> >>> Besides, silliness is my speciality when coming up with backronyms: >>> >>> 1. ^L Only Generates Ostensible Slides >>> 2. Logos Optionally Garners Outline Sections >>> >>> I understand "logos" does not help with discoverability. If there is a >>> more appropriate and succinct name I am willing to update things >>> accordingly. > > I kind of agree with Stefan's point, though in my case the first meaning > that came to mind was "reason"[0]. As the package is useful, it would > be a shame for people not to miss is because of the name. > > Intuitively, I would say it should make a reference towards narrowing > and page/section navigation. Maybe also that it is useful for > presenting? I can't come up with a good name right now either. I think others will have the same opinion. Though as you note, it is difficult to find a term that captures concepts such as "pages", "outlines", "narrowing"... I had thought about something pertaining to presentations but discarded it. It felt like it was emphasising one use-case, whereas the package can be used simply to read or write or just as a convenience for moving around the buffer. Same principle for anything that hinted at "focus". Again, I am open to suggestions. Though I have ran out of ideas. Hence the generic name I chose. -- Protesilaos Stavrou https://protesilaos.com