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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:288599 Archived-At: Hello, On Mon 18 Apr 2022 at 01:31pm +08, Po Lu wrote: > Sean Whitton writes: > >> Hello, >> >> On Fri 15 Apr 2022 at 10:29am +08, Po Lu wrote: >> >>> People using X should _never_ use PGTK. The regular X build does a much >>> better job at supporting that than PGTK ever will. >> >> The discussion of pgtk in INSTALL doesn't say this. If I was packaging >> Emacs for a distro I think I could be misled into thinking I should >> replace my gtk package with pgtk. But in fact I should supply both. > > INSTALL already recommends PGTK only for using alternative window > systems, not X, which is explained first. It recommends it /for/ using alternative window systems, not /only for/ using alternative window systems, so far as I can tell. For example With the PGTK build, you will be able to switch between running Emacs on X, Wayland and Broadway using the 'GDK_BACKEND' environment variable. really makes it sound like it's find to use it if you're using only X. -- Sean Whitton