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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:293891 Archived-At: Gerd M=C3=B6llmann writes: > OTOH, my impression so far with building contemporary Emacs is that > the non-src part takes most of the time. Yup. If I remember correctly from last time I looked at this, with a "make -j32" on a modern AMD machine, the build takes 65 seconds in total, and of that 10 seconds are .c compilation, 20 seconds are ./configure, 5 seconds are info and 30 seconds are Lisp files. The most recalcitrant thing is ./configure, of course -- it's single-threaded. Which is just sad. Most of what it does is eminently multi-threadable -- I'd guesstimate that 90% of the tests are independent and could well be run in parallel. Last time I googled this, there were no plans to make autoconf parallel-capable. I wonder whether anybody has looked into switching to a different build system?