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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:304679 Archived-At: On Mon, 20 Mar 2023 at 15:25, Philip Kaludercic wrote: > I just skimmed through the initial message, and when reading this my > initial thought is does the the advantage justify effort/complexity, > considering that most users have an order of magnitude fewer packages > installed (of which a few are installed using package-vc which IIUC > would explicitly not want to make use of this feature). I do think there's at least one aspect of this idea that many many people need, namely: a simple way to add a directory such as ~/.emacs.d/lisp to the load path, with automatic support for autoloads, byte-compilation and what not. Such a thing is also useful if you are developing some package, say at ~/project/mypackage. A package manager exploiting this form or organizing elisp libraries would be nice for some, I guess, but certainly it's a more niche necessity.