From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Philip Kaludercic Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: package-vc support for :files keyword Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2023 13:23:28 +0000 Message-ID: <87sfaz1men.fsf@posteo.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="16021"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Daniel Fleischer Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Jun 10 15:24:29 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1q7yZx-0003vd-Ru for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 10 Jun 2023 15:24:29 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1q7yZ6-0002nU-LI; Sat, 10 Jun 2023 09:23:36 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1q7yZ5-0002nD-7R for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Jun 2023 09:23:35 -0400 Original-Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1q7yZ2-0005ib-N8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Jun 2023 09:23:34 -0400 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 639BE240104 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2023 15:23:29 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1686403409; bh=c6WIer0AT8k+kJXpslcRf24CXmsn12RZKGDHFgH2WkA=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Autocrypt:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:From; b=kCvKSxS5UdCC0y4PGppZltwiBACIVdB7IAOBp+uRNcUPABKoalQMJIkVojFp4NW6y /ZOH4w82HQjlCTQRBqnac932plENsBckGQx5EtRlxvhjQOBm3OUtccP/TZD1zTRbem 6FeTB10gdtsLDWo26rdZG+0hdlHMGYLWtizBdT0jAbMgXvQ0tZ7GFKyZGc52bDFcmq 0XBrGXtjj9dhR/XlkZVhB+FBDex36HnywvH5JEapdgoEU9wQpc7EyBs8UDJ94/54PX 59ouGHT+5qO1VQA3ceEYCBHAS1xSwz60b8E/wgj7HE8wxk/6LLoxNDZ+iyQcvlbTh6 w/XNuHXbOtvRw== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4Qddtm4wjVz9rxR; Sat, 10 Jun 2023 15:23:28 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: (Daniel Fleischer's message of "Sat, 10 Jun 2023 13:53:35 +0300") Autocrypt: addr=philipk@posteo.net; keydata= mDMEZBBQQhYJKwYBBAHaRw8BAQdAHJuofBrfqFh12uQu0Yi7mrl525F28eTmwUDflFNmdui0QlBo aWxpcCBLYWx1ZGVyY2ljIChnZW5lcmF0ZWQgYnkgYXV0b2NyeXB0LmVsKSA8cGhpbGlwa0Bwb3N0 ZW8ubmV0PoiWBBMWCAA+FiEEDg7HY17ghYlni8XN8xYDWXahwukFAmQQUEICGwMFCQHhM4AFCwkI BwIGFQoJCAsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AACgkQ8xYDWXahwulikAEA77hloUiSrXgFkUVJhlKBpLCHUjA0 mWZ9j9w5d08+jVwBAK6c4iGP7j+/PhbkxaEKa4V3MzIl7zJkcNNjHCXmvFcEuDgEZBBQQhIKKwYB BAGXVQEFAQEHQI5NLiLRjZy3OfSt1dhCmFyn+fN/QKELUYQetiaoe+MMAwEIB4h+BBgWCAAmFiEE Dg7HY17ghYlni8XN8xYDWXahwukFAmQQUEICGwwFCQHhM4AACgkQ8xYDWXahwukm+wEA8cml4JpK NeAu65rg+auKrPOP6TP/4YWRCTIvuYDm0joBALw98AMz7/qMHvSCeU/hw9PL6u6R2EScxtpKnWof z4oM Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.66; envelope-from=philipk@posteo.net; helo=mout02.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:306720 Archived-At: Daniel Fleischer writes: > Hi, I've been testing package-vc support in Emacs 29. It's clear that > this feature is inspired by 3rd party packages that help users install > packages from external forges. I have never used any of the other packages managers, primarily because they seem to peruse different goals. The primary motivation for package-vc is to make it easy to hack on packages that are already available on an ELPA and contribute these changes upstream via commands like `package-vc-prepare-patch'. The fact that it can be used as the primary method for package.el to fetch sources is an "unintended" consequence. > Also, it makes sense that the Melpa > recipe specification compatibility is not a goal. Right, as the primary technical inspiration for package-vc has been elpa-admin, and therefore we (re-)use GNU ELPA-style package specifications. > However, I do think > the `:files' keyword is very useful to have, and was wondering whether > it's planned, maybe in master? No, just like `:ignored-files' I do not see a sensible way to implement it without compromising on the primary goal mentioned above. Generally speaking, this is a style of package development that {GNU,NonGNU} ELPA would like to advise against perusing, in favour of a one-repo-per-package approach. Do you have a specific reason why you think that something like `:{ignored-,}files' are useful in general (i.e. not just because of the contingent fact that MELPA has popularised this form of development). But just like :make and :shell-command, or use-package support was not intended in the beginning, I don't insist on anything as long as a good compromise can be found. I just have my doubts, since supporting this would probably run against a number of basic assumptions that package-vc was written around. > Thanks,