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Wed, 5 Jul 2023 09:19:56 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Wed, 28 Jun 2023 23:03:34 -0400") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=66.111.4.29; envelope-from=id@ypei.org; helo=out5-smtp.messagingengine.com X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H5=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:307466 Archived-At: On Wed 2023-06-28 23:03:34 -0400, Richard Stallman wrote: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > One problem with Hyperkitty is that it requires javascript to display > > any message, which is makes it kind of useless in non-js browsers like > > eww and lynx. > > Features that require Javascript are totallky unacceptable if the JS > code is nonfree (see https://gnu.org/philosophy/javascript-trap.html) > and problematical even if the JS code is free > (see https://gnu.org/philosophy/wwworst-app-store.html). > > We should avoid web features that send JS code, whenever possible. > Sending code to run immediately in the user's computer, in a way that > gives the user community no feasible opportunity to study the code and > release modified versions that people have a real option to use, > undermines the freedom of free software. This is why I think it would be a good idea to write emacs/elisp client packages to replace web/javascript clients. The former is much more free than javascript you can't change. Examples of such packages include osm.el[1] for openstreetmap, sx.el[2] for stackexchange, org-jira[3] for JIRA , as well as the buildbot package I'm submitting to ELPA[4]. It does not solve the server side issue (SaaSS), but it does offer complete freedom on the client side. [1] https://github.com/minad/osm [2] https://github.com/vermiculus/sx.el [3] https://github.com/ahungry/org-jira [4] https://g.ypei.me/buildbot.el.git/about/ Best, Yuchen -- PGP Key: 47F9 D050 1E11 8879 9040 4941 2126 7E93 EF86 DFD0