From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Philip Kaludercic Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [External] : Re: Updating *Completions* as you type Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2023 09:25:16 +0000 Message-ID: <87sf6a7wcj.fsf@posteo.net> References: <87bkd3z9bi.fsf@catern.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="36407"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Spencer Baugh , "emacs-devel@gnu.org" To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 16 11:26:12 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qsJrX-0009Bq-R6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2023 11:26:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qsJqo-0000Sb-Rv; Mon, 16 Oct 2023 05:25:26 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qsJqm-0000SK-KS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2023 05:25:24 -0400 Original-Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qsJqk-00081q-5x for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2023 05:25:24 -0400 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3A122240029 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2023 11:25:17 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1697448317; bh=tP8fPfOuWxo/Umcw1ne5lB3tnGhrNKqoo9AxGYJb3Xs=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Autocrypt:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:From; b=pg3jbPKFRK1U01ViCOpA51nktk3wdhXmesC7gZsmt90zyIBAFKoY3aCkjYjfSMxMz p/VCXRB6pml9DIYGw2RmrqGxnGYiaUlomSWFBtApGxoheFmXRFpw+hEasLRxldx1wy G43DCd75bs5qSXjzsPLxo9uUSVsgPtXHpaqTBrreOHhOtCPICtGwMEtIq2PKJtHy6M UGJ7CeacfUnmB3SV+TnO5nzUjHwRGdv6hiXBkfDAJ8hl0xRCBP+jCf4yNmk0sHAYj7 tAxICw9n2Sz9Qq5CXpZZ/O4wHBLMI1tE+WeHFORRwHF7Flj3piHoAa4CRpcje0Dcc+ GrPgUM7GI9ZLw== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4S8BXr4fCyz9rxT; Mon, 16 Oct 2023 11:25:16 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Mon, 16 Oct 2023 03:16:46 +0000") X-Hashcash: 1:20:231016:sbaugh@janestreet.com::WXR3ZwZdLZBxx5U5:Twm X-Hashcash: 1:20:231016:drew.adams@oracle.com::jj4/iIEGJr+TJkvd:vFJ X-Hashcash: 1:20:231016:emacs-devel@gnu.org::kH4vT+lbbsYxg0SV:1GmA Autocrypt: addr=philipk@posteo.net; keydata= mDMEZBBQQhYJKwYBBAHaRw8BAQdAHJuofBrfqFh12uQu0Yi7mrl525F28eTmwUDflFNmdui0QlBo aWxpcCBLYWx1ZGVyY2ljIChnZW5lcmF0ZWQgYnkgYXV0b2NyeXB0LmVsKSA8cGhpbGlwa0Bwb3N0 ZW8ubmV0PoiWBBMWCAA+FiEEDg7HY17ghYlni8XN8xYDWXahwukFAmQQUEICGwMFCQHhM4AFCwkI BwIGFQoJCAsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AACgkQ8xYDWXahwulikAEA77hloUiSrXgFkUVJhlKBpLCHUjA0 mWZ9j9w5d08+jVwBAK6c4iGP7j+/PhbkxaEKa4V3MzIl7zJkcNNjHCXmvFcEuDgEZBBQQhIKKwYB BAGXVQEFAQEHQI5NLiLRjZy3OfSt1dhCmFyn+fN/QKELUYQetiaoe+MMAwEIB4h+BBgWCAAmFiEE Dg7HY17ghYlni8XN8xYDWXahwukFAmQQUEICGwwFCQHhM4AACgkQ8xYDWXahwukm+wEA8cml4JpK NeAu65rg+auKrPOP6TP/4YWRCTIvuYDm0joBALw98AMz7/qMHvSCeU/hw9PL6u6R2EScxtpKnWof z4oM Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.65; envelope-from=philipk@posteo.net; helo=mout01.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H5=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:311514 Archived-At: Drew Adams writes: > FWIW: > > I'll mention some similar features in Icicles. They > were introduced together from the outset (in 2005!), > and have proven useful. You have mentioned Icicles a number of times, and one of the main reasons I have never tried it out is that it is not available on ELPA or any kind of official repository. I believe wrote about this a while back, but according to [0], the main issue remains that your libraries overwrite Emacs primitives, as you mention in the main file: --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- ;; ***** NOTE: These EMACS PRIMITIVES have been REDEFINED in Icicles: ;; ;; `completing-read' - (See below and doc string.) ;; `display-completion-list' - (See below and doc string.) ;; `exit-minibuffer' - Remove *Completion* window. ;; `minibuffer-complete-and-exit' - Remove *Completion* window. ;; `read-file-name' - (See below and doc string.) ;; `read-from-minibuffer' - (See below and doc string.) ;; `read-string' - (See below and doc string.) ;; ;; ;; ***** NOTE: The following functions defined in `dabbrev.el' have ;; been REDEFINED in Icicles: ;; ;; `dabbrev-completion' - Use Icicles completion when you repeat ;; (`C-M-/'). ;; ;; ;; ***** NOTE: The following functions defined in `lisp.el' have ;; been REDEFINED in Icicles: ;; ;; `lisp-complete-symbol' - Selects `*Completions*' window even if on ;; another frame. ;; ;; ;; ***** NOTE: The following functions defined in `mouse.el' have ;; been REDEFINED in Icicles: ;; ;; `mouse-choose-completion' - Return the number of the completion. ;; ;; ;; ***** NOTE: The following functions defined in `simple.el' have ;; been REDEFINED in Icicles: ;; ;; `choose-completion-string' - ;; Don't exit minibuffer after `lisp-complete-symbol' completion. ;; `completion-setup-function' - 1. Put faces on inserted string(s). ;; 2. Help on help. ;; `switch-to-completions' - Always selects `*Completions*' window. ;; ;; `next-history-element' (advised only) - ;; Depending on `icicle-default-value', select minibuffer ;; contents. ;; ;; `repeat-complex-command' - Use `completing-read' to read command. ;; ;; For descriptions of changes to this file, see `icicles-chg.el'. --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- Is this really necessary? Somehow all the other completion systems appear to get by without these kinds of invasive changes, and it would be a pity the barriers for trying out your package continue to be unnecessarily high, if the functionality is so advanced. At the very least it would be nice if you could have your own ELPA, perhaps hosted on Emacs Wiki to distribute these packages in a more standardised way. [0] https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/icicles.el -- Philip Kaludercic