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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:323928 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > I do think the idea of a prominent "Click here" button would be a good idea! > > I think we have prominent info about how to get to the tutorial. > But some other way could e good to add. > > Where would you suggest putting this, and hwo would it work? I understand that it is easy to gloss over the *About GNU Emacs* buffer when you start Emacs for the first time, and just want to get started. Personally, it seems that just setting "Learn basic Emacs keystroke commands" in a bold type face might help... Of course, then the other issue is to retain the attention for the duration of the tutorial, but that might really require something different and more interactive. -- Philip Kaludercic on siskin