From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: position on changing defaults? Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 01:54:09 +0200 Organization: JURTA Message-ID: <87r6eorams.fsf@jurta.org> References: <200803050637.m256bXL3008361@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <87hcfkdhqk.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87d4q8sq9c.fsf@jurta.org> <873ar47n28.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1204761297 31621 80.91.229.12 (5 Mar 2008 23:54:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 23:54:57 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Chong Yidong , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Bastien Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Mar 06 00:55:24 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JX3SF-0002XX-93 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 06 Mar 2008 00:55:23 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JX3Ri-0003iW-9Z for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 05 Mar 2008 18:54:50 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JX3Re-0003iN-Qt for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Mar 2008 18:54:46 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JX3Rc-0003hz-QY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Mar 2008 18:54:45 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JX3Rc-0003hk-LR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Mar 2008 18:54:44 -0500 Original-Received: from relay02.kiev.sovam.com ([62.64.120.197]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JX3Rb-00012Y-Va for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Mar 2008 18:54:44 -0500 Original-Received: from [83.170.232.243] (helo=smtp.svitonline.com) by relay02.kiev.sovam.com with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JX3RR-000IVL-4v; Thu, 06 Mar 2008 01:54:41 +0200 In-Reply-To: <873ar47n28.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> (Bastien's message of "Wed, 05 Mar 2008 23:45:03 +0000") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu) X-Scanner-Signature: c2436a487120708c9e0f2b31fdd4cc45 X-DrWeb-checked: yes X-SpamTest-Envelope-From: juri@jurta.org X-SpamTest-Group-ID: 00000000 X-SpamTest-Header: Not Detected X-SpamTest-Info: Profiles 2362 [Mar 5 2008] X-SpamTest-Info: helo_type=3 X-SpamTest-Info: {HEADERS: header Content-Type found without required header Content-Transfer-Encoding} X-SpamTest-Method: none X-SpamTest-Rate: 11 X-SpamTest-Status: Not detected X-SpamTest-Status-Extended: not_detected X-SpamTest-Version: SMTP-Filter Version 3.0.0 [0278], KAS30/Release X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: FreeBSD 6.x (1) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:91441 Archived-At: >>>> - selection with Shift-arrow keys >>> >>> I think this would be a good default. If someone is willing to make a >>> patch that refactors this code from cua-mode into simple.el, it would >>> be worth considering. >> >> Unfortunately, I see no way of implementing this in simple.el without >> using pre-command-hook and post-command-hook. It seems this can be >> implemented only in C in the function that reads characters. > > On top of this, Shift-arrow keys are already in use in org-mode. This is not a reason to make Emacs unfriendly to newbies that expect Shift-arrow keys to work like in other programs. Could you change these keys in org-mode to e.g. Meta-arrows or something? -- Juri Linkov http://www.jurta.org/emacs/