From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Chong Yidong Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Carbon port and multi-tty Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 12:55:28 -0400 Message-ID: <87r6cf1if3.fsf@stupidchicken.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1210093295 2235 80.91.229.12 (6 May 2008 17:01:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 17:01:35 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue May 06 19:02:10 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JtQY2-00007n-Cv for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 06 May 2008 19:01:50 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41869 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JtQXK-0006o6-KG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 06 May 2008 13:01:06 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JtQWX-0006Nk-3f for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 06 May 2008 13:00:17 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JtQWS-0006Lw-E4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 06 May 2008 13:00:16 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=39620 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JtQWS-0006Lr-5k for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 06 May 2008 13:00:12 -0400 Original-Received: from cyd.mit.edu ([18.115.2.24]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JtQWR-0007JG-RX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 06 May 2008 13:00:11 -0400 Original-Received: by cyd.mit.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 81CAA4E304; Tue, 6 May 2008 12:55:28 -0400 (EDT) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:96600 Archived-At: This concerns the recent drama over the Carbon port and multi-tty. As I understand, in the CVS tree the Carbon port is unmaintained, since Yamamoto Mitsuharu has declined to continue supporting Carbon for Emacs 23 and no other developer has offered to take on his role. We can't let the lack of a maintainer for a non-free software platform stall Emacs development indefinitely. Thus, merging multi-tty into the trunk was the correct decision, even if we couldn't---and apparently still can't---find a developer to make it work properly on Carbon. I'm glad that Dan at least tried to work on it, even if he didn't manage to finish the job. If you're disturbed by the remaining problems on Carbon, please try working on a fix instead of complaining. Regarding the Carbon changes to the Emacs 22 branch: Yamamoto Mitsuharu is actively maintaining the Carbon-specific code in the branch, and as a platform maintainer he has considerable discretion to make platform-specific changes. If he says that his changes won't pose a problem in the event of a security release from the branch, that's fine by me. If anyone has problems with a specific change has made to the branch, please pose it to him, or to the list. Thanks.