From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul R Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Short explanation for & in key ! of dired Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 18:14:33 +0200 Message-ID: <87r6alfq52.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87hcbkpo0e.fsf@gmail.com> <86y74wzeq1.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> <874p7ifonh.fsf@jurta.org> <853an2oupp.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1214410519 15561 80.91.229.12 (25 Jun 2008 16:15:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 16:15:19 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Juri Linkov , Daniel Clemente , emacs-devel@gnu.org, Miles Bader To: joakim@verona.se Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jun 25 18:16:03 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KBXel-0003vp-6W for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 18:15:40 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51814 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KBXdu-00087s-AR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 12:14:46 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KBXdp-000853-LK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 12:14:41 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KBXdn-00082R-1J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 12:14:41 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=42001 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KBXdm-00082O-Uw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 12:14:38 -0400 Original-Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.155]:51461) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KBXdm-0002DZ-8J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 12:14:38 -0400 Original-Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id l26so1422877fgb.30 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 09:14:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:to:cc:subject:references:from :date:in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=5YiT/CUOxtSkwKt2xEjsOd9vEwmgFHm+s7eWQ1Z14O8=; b=OXb4hNicxZFVMh0WVD4PcNnQFGV4tHMLTB3I/UgsdtzreRNDdcVD5sigNMHSIynA7I 05r8QsRvrQihYCPRb/DDDDEN8nfx2uols1njG4c73gUlTEWXFGqcb0loDJtMyh4/3tVf 2+3ffGWdY72PrQKDYRvehm4hw1RsAf1wV++E8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=to:cc:subject:references:from:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; b=COWbUNaqpIqCm82rIGYi6fBfWDRAY2cS8bveGYYjsWA5T/cFsfVrwDWLEeAQe/b4Gv 6URA4BBAUQ6xSUhv00VBZw1j7JFa7T8tuobL2hGMmpSDgzOzE3fQyrRdiGo1szFq7Qis haa8May5AqYu0Y+k2UYjBcn0lGHX9ZRdJJDbA= Original-Received: by 10.86.98.14 with SMTP id v14mr10696949fgb.74.1214410471792; Wed, 25 Jun 2008 09:14:31 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from ubuT42 ( [82.242.132.111]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4sm13623931fge.5.2008.06.25.09.14.30 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 25 Jun 2008 09:14:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: (joakim@verona.se's message of "Wed\, 25 Jun 2008 10\:44\:32 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.2 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:99931 Archived-At: joakim@verona.se writes: >>> I'd be happier! But, ok, thats my use-case, and I dont really know how >>> other people use dired. >> >> That's exactly what I want too. When backgrounding, I'm almost always >> running some gui app; I do not care about stdout/stderr, and Emacs >> clumsy handling of background processes (only one at a time unless you >> fiddle with things) is pretty annoying. That's my use case as well. Since we usually don't want to read stdout/stderr, we could have a flag to redirect them to /dev/null. Also, I think we can safely set defaults so that stdout is printed, and stderr is discarded. -- Paul