From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Uwe Siart Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: delete-selection-mode Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 06:42:01 +0100 Organization: Technische =?iso-8859-1?Q?Universit=E4t_M=FCnchen?= Message-ID: <87r5nf8s7q.fsf@siart.de> References: <87ocitw2dl.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <201003130001.o2D01FFQ003489@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> <87vdd1yqe4.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87eijjzrkd.fsf_-_@mail.jurta.org> <20100317143519.GB4381@muc.de> <22603146-A346-4FC2-8D74-5D6047865C3A@mit.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1269063760 20268 80.91.229.12 (20 Mar 2010 05:42:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 05:42:40 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Mar 20 06:42:29 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NsrS8-0003gF-PO for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 06:42:29 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37193 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NsrS7-0001yZ-Vc for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 01:42:28 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NsrRz-0001yU-G2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 01:42:19 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=53341 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NsrRx-0001yM-P0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 01:42:18 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NsrRw-0006io-Eg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 01:42:17 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:55212) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NsrRw-0006ii-2J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 01:42:16 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NsrRt-0003XZ-11 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 06:42:13 +0100 Original-Received: from p4fefd7db.dip.t-dialin.net ([79.239.215.219]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 06:42:13 +0100 Original-Received: from usenet by p4fefd7db.dip.t-dialin.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 06:42:13 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 25 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: p4fefd7db.dip.t-dialin.net User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.92 (windows-nt) Cancel-Lock: sha1:eg1WZeb039SLZkze8iATebXgwsI= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:122344 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > However, note what Alan wrote. Maybe some of the users of > those other programs think that Emacs is better. > [...] > Alan's point is that one ordinary user dislikes what most programs do > today. She dislikes it in the other programs, and she would dislike > it in Emacs too if we made Emacs do it. Absolutely right. That's the point. Full ACK. So called "modern user interfaces" really suck. To tell my story I came to Emacs exactly because I hated the way how other editors work. Can't work with 'em. They drive me crazy with their buttons and tabs. Emacs is a lot better. But certainly you have to practice it just like you have to practice playing musical instruments. But you can't seriously argue that an electronic toy keyboard is better than a grand piano because newbies get faster results with it. Please don't adapt Emacs too much to "modern applications". We don't need this. There are plenty such editors for those who like them. What we need is Emacs as an efficient alternative to those crappy user interfaces everywhere around. -- Uwe