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[74.92.190.113]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id kb10sm2900276igb.6.2014.01.03.10.21.08 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 03 Jan 2014 10:21:08 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87txdlgcvq.fsf@flea.lifelogs.com> (Ted Zlatanov's message of "Fri, 03 Jan 2014 13:04:57 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4001:c05::234 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:167207 Archived-At: Ted Zlatanov writes: >KF> Right now, two of the biggest sources of hacking energy in the >KF> Emacsosphere are in git repositories separate from Emacs' own bzr >KF> repository: Org Mode and Gnus. Our switching to git will help reduce at >KF> least the degree of separation. > >Have you seen the amount of activity on GNU ELPA, MELPA, el-get, and >others? The amount and variety of packages are amazing. True; I didn't mean to slight other packages. Emacs' extensible, modular nature probably means that activity on the core development list and repository is not an accurate measure of how the project is doing as a whole anyway. David Engster wrote: >In what way? They are still different repositories; just because they >are both using git does not magically make things easier. > >Unless of course you propose to include Gnus and Org as a submodule, >which would make sense, but is difficult to pull off. I guess I really meant "If they switch to having a common branch history with core Emacs, then merging and change porting gets a lot easier, whether or not they use the same social master repository" (but that's not what I said, so your question was quite reasonable). -K