From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: phillip.lord@newcastle.ac.uk (Phillip Lord) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: New tutorial (was: Emacs terminology (not again!?) [was: Apologia for bzr]) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 11:39:32 +0000 Message-ID: <87r481h8cr.fsf_-_@newcastle.ac.uk> References: <877gact76s.fsf@gnu.org> <34c8c13b-c5c6-4e5a-9248-b09d5d1936da@default> <87eh4hkq6c.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83y52dk82n.fsf@gnu.org> <87zjmqalm2.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1390304398 14626 80.91.229.3 (21 Jan 2014 11:39:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 11:39:58 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs-Devel devel To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jan 21 12:40:05 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1W5Zgb-0007wQ-0f for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 21 Jan 2014 12:40:05 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57699 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W5Zga-00073x-M8 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 21 Jan 2014 06:40:04 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59455) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W5ZgS-0006z2-7u for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Jan 2014 06:40:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W5ZgM-0006Bb-9P for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Jan 2014 06:39:56 -0500 Original-Received: from cheviot22.ncl.ac.uk ([128.240.234.22]:47546) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W5ZgM-0006BM-1H for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Jan 2014 06:39:50 -0500 Original-Received: from smtpauth-vm.ncl.ac.uk ([10.8.233.129]) by cheviot22.ncl.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1W5ZgK-00033E-Cy; Tue, 21 Jan 2014 11:39:48 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost (jangai.ncl.ac.uk [10.66.67.223]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtpauth-vm.ncl.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id s0LBdl9F010276 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 21 Jan 2014 11:39:47 GMT In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Mon, 20 Jan 2014 13:00:48 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 128.240.234.22 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:168817 Archived-At: >> If there is interest in incorporating it, I'd be willing to rewrite it. > I'd welcome a new tutorial, that takes the same idea as the original > one (i.e. a kind of "participative reading") but focuses on more > powerful features such as keyboard macros, sexp-based movement. Of > course, it should still include explanations about the C-foo notation, > the concept of buffers and windows, etc... This was my idea. There is nothing wrong with talking about keyboard controlled motion, but there is too much of it, and it should not be at the start. > Advertising things like Org mode would also make a lot of sense. I think more "where to go from here" stuff would be an important addition. Actually, I was thinking of writing it using org, then exporting to text (minus markup). > If it could be visually more appealing, it would be a plus. Again, I agree, while noting that "visually appealing" is not one of my big skills in life. I'll have a think about it, and post here when I have more news. I'll probably set up a repo somewhere to get going. Anyone got any options about which VCS I should use? Phil (last sentence was an attempt at humour)