From: "Óscar Fuentes" <ofv@wanadoo.es>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Exposing Isearch toggleable options
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 20:14:20 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87r3kdcws3.fsf@wanadoo.es> (raw)
In-Reply-To: CAHGcNQ_aT3h8yPJN=ZBS=pj9ZrJ5tv1ti44br3MDWMpC_Y+09A@mail.gmail.com
Aldric Giacomoni <trevoke@gmail.com> writes:
> In the wake of magit, Mickey Petersen (who wrote Mastering Emacs) wrote a
> package called discover.el (blog intro + screenshot):
> https://www.masteringemacs.org/article/discoverel-discover-emacs-context-menus
>
>
> This might be a good direction for the conversation.
>
> I've been an emacs user for ~2 years now. I think some minimal
> documentation / toggles in the magit spirit would go a long way in
> demystifying the emacs behavior.
>
> As noted by someone else, I would consider it critical to indicate somehow
> that there are other modifiers and options.
>
> I would, of course, want a toggle for this.
I designed the Magit popup and implemented it on my fork (the Magit
maintainer at the time then reimplemented it with a few differences
instead of pulling my work, due to a miscommunication.) So you can take
for granted that I like the Magit approach... for driving git. The
same paradigm seems to work ok for parts of Org mode too.
However, I don't think that the Magit popup is the correct solution for
Emacs' poor discoverability, for several reasons. First of all, git is a
single entry point with lots of commands and options. Magit assigns a
key to groups of related commands and then lists the commands and its
options. In Emacs, there would be a large number of groups and, within
each group, lots of options. This would cause a high cognitive load, if
it were practical at all to browse the large number of entries.
I could go on about why the Magit popup approach is not the right one,
for Emacs in general.
The discoverability issue is a very interesting one. Even more when
combined with ergonomics and convenience in general. Not too long ago I
was surprised to see how discoverability *and* convenience are benefited
from having a good completion mechanism on the M-x and set-variable
prompts. Ido+flx was a big enhancement for a tiny effort, IMO. I'm sure
that other packages can bring similar or superior benefits.
Ido+flx work on command/variable names. It would be better to have
conceptual relations among features, and exploit those relations
contextually. Some type of smart search engine for features, with the
right interfaces.
[snip]
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-10-29 19:14 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-10-29 0:20 Exposing Isearch toggleable options Artur Malabarba
2015-10-29 0:27 ` Juri Linkov
2015-10-29 0:38 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-10-29 23:58 ` Juri Linkov
2015-10-30 3:00 ` Random832
2015-10-30 9:48 ` Oleh Krehel
2015-10-30 9:56 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-10-30 10:42 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-10-30 11:03 ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-10-30 11:56 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-10-30 15:17 ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-10-30 12:01 ` Kaushal Modi
2015-10-30 12:21 ` Oleh Krehel
2015-10-30 14:07 ` Random832
2015-10-30 14:52 ` Kaushal Modi
2015-10-30 14:29 ` Oleh Krehel
2015-10-31 0:27 ` Juri Linkov
2015-11-01 12:42 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-01 16:01 ` Drew Adams
2015-11-01 19:34 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-02 0:20 ` Drew Adams
2015-11-02 20:19 ` John Wiegley
2015-11-04 11:51 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-04 15:39 ` John Wiegley
2015-11-05 0:24 ` Juri Linkov
2015-11-05 0:55 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-05 0:59 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-05 22:44 ` Richard Stallman
2015-11-05 22:44 ` Richard Stallman
2015-11-05 23:28 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-11-06 21:40 ` Richard Stallman
2015-11-06 2:15 ` John Wiegley
2015-11-06 13:48 ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-06 13:56 ` Gian Uberto Lauri
2015-11-06 15:27 ` Ashton Kemerling
2015-11-06 15:44 ` John Wiegley
2015-11-07 1:32 ` Xue Fuqiao
2015-11-06 15:54 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-06 16:04 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-10-29 1:19 ` Drew Adams
2015-10-29 10:10 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-10-29 14:02 ` Drew Adams
2015-10-29 21:42 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-10-29 5:53 ` John Wiegley
2015-10-29 9:29 ` Nicolas Petton
2015-10-29 10:34 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-10-29 10:50 ` Nicolas Petton
2015-10-29 11:18 ` Kaushal Modi
2015-10-29 17:53 ` John Wiegley
2015-10-29 10:30 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-10-29 10:49 ` Oleh Krehel
2015-10-29 20:52 ` Rasmus
2015-10-29 21:27 ` Drew Adams
2015-10-29 16:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
[not found] ` <<8337wt3axe.fsf@gnu.org>
2015-10-29 17:19 ` Drew Adams
2015-10-29 18:33 ` Aldric Giacomoni
2015-10-29 18:54 ` John Wiegley
2015-10-29 19:14 ` Óscar Fuentes [this message]
2015-10-29 21:27 ` Drew Adams
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