From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Feature freezes and Emacs 25 Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 02:43:22 +0200 Organization: LINKOV.NET Message-ID: <87r3jwdp3p.fsf@mail.linkov.net> References: <87zizeme8k.fsf@tromey.com> <5625B166.3080104@dancol.org> <86zizdczhp.fsf@stephe-leake.org> <871tc315y3.fsf@lifelogs.com> <83k2pvqg0l.fsf@gnu.org> <837fluqkd1.fsf@gnu.org> <87oaf1s82r.fsf@mail.linkov.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1447290065 12402 80.91.229.3 (12 Nov 2015 01:01:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 01:01:05 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Nov 12 02:00:56 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZwgG0-0001uW-Cf for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 12 Nov 2015 02:00:56 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43830 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZwgFz-0004vo-IT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 11 Nov 2015 20:00:55 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34912) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZwgFL-0004nE-6E for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Nov 2015 20:00:30 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZwgF7-0007Vk-HB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Nov 2015 20:00:15 -0500 Original-Received: from sub3.mail.dreamhost.com ([69.163.253.7]:38974 helo=homiemail-a13.g.dreamhost.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZwgF7-0007Tm-Ch for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Nov 2015 20:00:01 -0500 Original-Received: from homiemail-a13.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a13.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C76D334072 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2015 16:59:58 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from localhost.linkov.net (m83-180-116-181.cust.tele2.ee [83.180.116.181]) (Authenticated sender: jurta@jurta.org) by homiemail-a13.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id A12DB33406F for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2015 16:59:57 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: (John Wiegley's message of "Tue, 10 Nov 2015 17:16:18 -0800") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x (no timestamps) [generic] X-Received-From: 69.163.253.7 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:194183 Archived-At: >> John, could you please extend the deadline of the feature freeze a little >> since I have no chance to commit all changes until Friday. >> >> Basically what I'm doing is the same kind of work as Alan's efforts in >> bug#17453. While Alan is designing a framework to support multiple windows >> by adding a new arg with a group of windows, I'm designing a framework to >> support multiple regions by adding a new arg with a group of regions. >> >> In bug#19829 I've collected the evidence of commands that need this feature >> as a basis for the new design, but the deadlock was caused by the same >> question that backpedaled the Alan's design: whether to add a new arg to the >> existing functions or to try stuffing it into the existing ones? > > Given the discussion Alan and I are having, maybe we should step back the > three of us and make sure that we're taking a consistent approach. > > If your work is similar to Alan's in nature, I'd be willing to extend its > deadline beyond the freeze date as well -- if it doesn't come in too late. I'd > rather not extend the freeze overall, since otherwise we might keep doing it. > Too many cool ideas out there. :) > > The freeze is motivation to get 25.1 out the door, so 25.2 can come sooner. Actually I'm happy that you are pushing for the sooner release, so now we have to concentrate on both these almost finished features. Also in the next release I'd like to see improvements in the Isearch prompt listed in the proposal Artur published on EmacsWiki, but it seems it's impossible to reach consensus in a reasonable time before the next release due to a wide spectrum of opinions, so perhaps Isearch prompt changes need to wait for 25.2.