From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Karl Fogel Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs? 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[74.92.190.114]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id b13sm1110769ign.0.2016.03.08.10.19.13 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 08 Mar 2016 10:19:14 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <83lh5srhqe.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 08 Mar 2016 19:40:09 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.92 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4001:c06::22e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:201188 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> Yes, I was only mentioning it for the sake of completeness. We have already >> accomplished the second bullet of option #2, and have no intention of changing >> that, as it does have a positive impact on our commit message quality. > >Just to put the record straight: we've been using the ChangeLog format >in the commit log message since forever, certainly during the CVS >days. It's not a recent invention in any way. I think it's a good requirement, though a quick trawl through the output of 'git log --name-status' shows that not everyone has always obeyed it. (However, the standard does seem be more adhered to the closer we get to the present, so things have been moving in the right direction.)