From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Why does the tutorial talk about C-n/C-p etc? Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2016 22:00:18 +0000 Message-ID: <87r3fgu13h.fsf@russet.org.uk> References: <87y49q64eg.fsf@russet.org.uk> <837fhamxwq.fsf@gnu.org> <87io0u4bip.fsf@russet.org.uk> <83mvq5jcw7.fsf@gnu.org> <87shzxdkbe.fsf@russet.org.uk> <83vb4sj34t.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1457733648 10632 80.91.229.3 (11 Mar 2016 22:00:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2016 22:00:48 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, fgunbin@fastmail.fm, yuri.v.khan@gmail.com To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Mar 11 23:00:37 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aeV6o-0001eb-H4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 23:00:34 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57886 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aeV6n-0006M3-Vd for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 17:00:34 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:44888) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aeV6g-0006Jj-94 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 17:00:27 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aeV6f-0005yG-Gi for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 17:00:26 -0500 Original-Received: from cloud103.planethippo.com ([31.216.48.48]:52285) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aeV6a-0005w0-KW; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 17:00:20 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=russet.org.uk; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID: In-Reply-To:Date:References:Subject:Cc:To:From; bh=g0jWNVACKaROhLh0E4Z3fWDK0yhPv3F3kneL2tETp9E=; b=w8cNJi4pQGWjwPeQWlBszRKszp x0w9nvGUrL6Zuk0hAEp9VRrJ+mq9HAEWbl/s2AxDgKbjjzjeGpHLaMndmvOaZ5QvTh0uGrFj2uI9y CIQkPYZtnG3Mr6Nhrpig4jklefC+sn40Ms6NdoRNUPkFLEoGjSMWdkUjlzVaYqZq6ZP600sKbCITO u2Vbi64sDKEcIqNQvRAcR1jUS7OgKCWsWuB/0C8SyiTrbhyaW2vNI6ZOqCKNFCsWaIxQJn3DuJuym NtnGIcUUgWPdnx1BibMt9CFMt4/Bk+Tlf90AbF/yMqzLc+WjLes9ZwDM7LCZ/pPK7Td51Xv9Hzryz SH356wUw==; Original-Received: from cpc1-benw10-2-0-cust373.gate.cable.virginm.net ([77.98.219.118]:59583 helo=russet.org.uk) by cloud103.planethippo.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.86_1) (envelope-from ) id 1aeV6Z-001Yd4-3e; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 22:00:19 +0000 In-Reply-To: <83vb4sj34t.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 11 Mar 2016 20:11:46 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (gnu/linux) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - cloud103.planethippo.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - russet.org.uk X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: cloud103.planethippo.com: authenticated_id: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk X-Authenticated-Sender: cloud103.planethippo.com: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 31.216.48.48 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:201496 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord) >> Cc: Yuri Khan , fgunbin@fastmail.fm, >> emacs-devel@gnu.org >> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2016 16:57:09 +0000 >> >> I am working on this. My tutorial is now 480 lines long, so it may need >> some pruning. I have buffers and files to do. My plan is to finish off >> with Emacs packages, but getting users to install a new package from >> ELPA. > > Isn't that a chicken-and-egg problem? How can you have a tutorial > that depends on enough knowledge needed to install ELPA packages? No, it's fine. The idea is that the basic tutorial (part of Emacs tarball) runs up to the point of installing an ELPA package. That ELPA package in the first instance will just be something that says "well done". In the second instance, the ELPA package can do something funkier, but one step at a time. Phil