From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.comp.gnu.mingw.msys2 Subject: Re: [Msys2-users] About DLLs needed by Emacs (W64) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2017 18:08:11 +0000 Message-ID: <87r2so98c4.fsf@russet.org.uk> References: <1639589366.4676.1511182396362@mail.libero.it> <4d86f0fd-d162-1287-861d-4527b8c0fd78@gmail.com> <8760a5t2iv.fsf@wanadoo.es> <83a7zgeu21.fsf@gnu.org> <877euh52xe.fsf@russet.org.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1511460505 17377 195.159.176.226 (23 Nov 2017 18:08:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2017 18:08:25 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.90 (gnu/linux) Cc: =?utf-8?Q?=C3=93scar?= Fuentes , Eli Zaretskii , Msys2 , Emacs developers To: Fabrice Popineau Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Nov 23 19:08:20 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eHvv9-00049A-Ui for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 23 Nov 2017 19:08:20 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45569 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eHvvH-0003mg-D2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 23 Nov 2017 13:08:27 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:37811) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eHvv9-0003mb-Ub for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Nov 2017 13:08:20 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eHvv8-0002vQ-WE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Nov 2017 13:08:19 -0500 Original-Received: from cloud103.planethippo.com ([78.129.138.110]:60712) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eHvv4-0002qu-Pc; Thu, 23 Nov 2017 13:08:14 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=russet.org.uk; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID: In-Reply-To:Date:References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date: Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id: List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=sbEfINq5KiuyI61Wf/CdI0wFqm/Eifn29EsEANZHbQs=; b=n8U34c8t2Adq8Qk9knRBin1yB gLDgQmRUQnx7+XvrRB+Hee7iy5yzMWHiGwiXt8dfswmVvz1/mvXXfygOlDNvE0Tw7492sZcESwDEF 8LwyD55LwbXhtwmwATd4UCjGVVC4yQy7HppnncwC13H5inuP6Ig5GzD0M6c9aS8MxtzVwp5PYX1zH j+H+lSsLZo1Hh8SlSbb95Xf2KKQVpExcIpCcVxXZsmaA2l1OzHtgMPgtsBwo8NbXOc7kYi/nvYEGI NeabwlTmK83zEGPwS3VnVh1K5JukmUTSH/S0kfE/Fnd5Jo5sJHyw1/s23bIFWHoywhJKzoAQ84Auc B9Pi8P+hQ==; Original-Received: from cpc8-benw10-2-0-cust100.16-2.cable.virginm.net ([92.233.204.101]:41314 helo=russet.org.uk) by cloud103.planethippo.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1eHvv2-000CpX-Sy; Thu, 23 Nov 2017 18:08:13 +0000 In-Reply-To: (Fabrice Popineau's message of "Thu, 23 Nov 2017 08:15:54 +0100") X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - cloud103.planethippo.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - russet.org.uk X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: cloud103.planethippo.com: authenticated_id: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk X-Authenticated-Sender: cloud103.planethippo.com: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 78.129.138.110 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:220404 gmane.comp.gnu.mingw.msys2:1922 Archived-At: Fabrice Popineau writes: > 2017-11-23 0:06 GMT+01:00 Phillip Lord : > >> Fabrice Popineau writes: >> >> > 2017-11-20 18:31 GMT+01:00 Eli Zaretskii : >> >> But in general, your point is valid: various optional libraries need >> >> support >> >> files to work properly. >> >> >> > >> > Given the numerous dependencies, and as long as msys2/mingw64 is >> > concerned, it is so much easier to install msys2 and then request >> > emacs from pacman than to package a standalone emacs. Lots of elisp >> > packages may require other mingw64 packages : a spell checker, git, >> > etc. It is easy to install them with pacman. The user will have a >> > much harder time with a standalone emacs. If you want a full emacs >> > experience, you need a full unix-like environment. >> >> >> The new "with-deps" build and installer of Emacs actually packages quite >> a bit of msys2/mingw64 including, for example, a python >> installation. >> > > This is precisely the kind of drifting I hate. When on Windows I > don't want to use the msys2 python because it doesn't play so well. I > vastly prefer Anaconda (On GNU/Linux too btw) If you start to package > Python with emacs, you'll end up packaging the whole MSys2. At least > that should be made optional. Yes. Use the "-no-deps" zip file. > One nasty thing about DLLs. Anaconda ships with libpng.dll and others > which are dynamically loaded by emacs. Reason why in my own copy of > Emacs, I have restricted the path where dlls are looked for to the > emacs binary directory. Is that not the default?