From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Using Org as the source format to generate org.texi Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 09:10:02 +0000 Message-ID: <87r2oomjdh.fsf@russet.org.uk> References: <878tb5axms.fsf@bzg.fr> <6630c346-1b5a-d265-2b3a-05c4f7c497c6@cs.ucla.edu> <87muzk4tzs.fsf@gnu.org> <0ma7vjsrzi.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87fu59qhbd.fsf@Rainer.invalid> <87vae3zobm.fsf@russet.org.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1520932171 2731 195.159.176.226 (13 Mar 2018 09:09:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 09:09:31 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.91 (gnu/linux) Cc: Achim Gratz , emacs-devel To: Radon Rosborough Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 13 10:09:26 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1evfvy-0000ZN-0z for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 13 Mar 2018 10:09:26 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37733 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1evfy0-0001xP-V7 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 13 Mar 2018 05:11:32 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59910) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1evfxS-0001xE-9Z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Mar 2018 05:10:59 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1evfxM-0003d7-4r for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Mar 2018 05:10:58 -0400 Original-Received: from [78.129.138.231] (port=40893 helo=cloud103.planethippo.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1evfxL-0002i5-Ru for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Mar 2018 05:10:52 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=russet.org.uk; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID :Date:In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date: Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id: List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=N1BXjlcCxGri2p1KIx2mKcwrO3LYnye6CzCg2kZHaec=; b=N4SF9kl0ppt5dNymm+BschbX6 od3ucy9njb8i8UqZSv6+VZ4aqAGM8e03+7slVtobIw0tI2Ie8+bhXhaBlNnX7tJelye3Tfw7JQeqI hKBE2NvbEabXmUjuGUdkL7OfcZTKnKzGGzJMaDdSxarlzYmtOzPAhurTTkZ8mE0mUB3iMS/6HMu2i i7sMauhUhjeLry8ZYRg1VBF8pN9qJLbTIMI9glPUCjcImcpsoQEAWBKqGzjFUf2LGW6ZYI4MVZ0Qr zoQn0WdjVQOWd3LVRpcNFMCG0P5gYhI9LU3LXME8iSAMfU9+Hdt85WGhtM2+WrbXEBmnSoILJ6yRq TjpwnPqOA==; Original-Received: from cpc142652-benw12-2-0-cust953.16-2.cable.virginm.net ([82.21.43.186]:43142 helo=russet.org.uk) by cloud103.planethippo.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89_1) (envelope-from ) id 1evfwe-0033Sy-T1; Tue, 13 Mar 2018 09:10:08 +0000 In-Reply-To: (Radon Rosborough's message of "Mon, 12 Mar 2018 14:04:29 -0700") X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - cloud103.planethippo.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - russet.org.uk X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: cloud103.planethippo.com: authenticated_id: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk X-Authenticated-Sender: cloud103.planethippo.com: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 78.129.138.231 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:223681 Archived-At: Radon Rosborough writes: >> As it happens I have a version of this now. It would lead to the >> slightly strange situation that the build would refer to org-mode >> functions which are not actually hosted in the repo. So, it would mean >> that you could not build Emacs from a clean clone of the Emacs repo >> without access to the ELPA repo (i.e. a local clone). > > I don't understand why this is the case. Currently, a version of Org > is bundled in Emacs core. Where does ELPA enter into it? Are you > talking about a hypothetical future situation where Org is not bundled > with Emacs? If so, then why would the Org manual even exist in Emacs > core? Oh dear. I was hoping not to side-track the issue. Yes, it's a hypothetical Emacs where org is hosted in ELPA not in emacs.git, but still distributed with the Emacs tar ball. And the question is, what if packages other than org used org-mode for their manuals. It's several steps away. Phil