From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Po Lu Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Making Emacs more friendly to newcomers Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 17:54:47 +0800 Message-ID: <87r1wi7a8o.fsf@yahoo.com> References: <863691n4xl.wl-me@enzu.ru> <87imhw431x.fsf@yahoo.com> <87mu78huhx.fsf_-_@yahoo.com> <87k12bdgx7.fsf@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="64396"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Stefan Kangas , =?utf-8?Q?S=C3=A9bastien?= Gendre , Emacs developers To: Tim Cross Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 20 11:55:50 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jQT9a-000Gdx-Ah for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 11:55:50 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60780 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jQT9Z-0000Tx-D3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 05:55:49 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:48984 helo=eggs1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jQT8j-0007x0-Gw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 05:54:57 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs1p.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jQT8j-0000MD-2a for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 05:54:57 -0400 Original-Received: from sonic301-31.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com ([66.163.184.200]:35703) by eggs1p.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jQT8i-0000Ly-LS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 05:54:56 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1587376494; bh=FwINT6hdLA8L5rlUqj0tJKOT07mwIX/SVIoyba6qPUE=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From:Subject; b=mDKxxrbp1GLOzW+PAU5ymuMOOrPQ/ESyxjM/5EgQbl1U97UTB5bYO2Svtlzm2IluxW4kxh6B654a4R8MV6Ugqbw361EtfctPJswvI5660uoPfmja9E+iXYAOFvG9g59Awro8VlHTV2vESbVQsxnIkW6YyA5KQ2AvJm1Gp+onH7UOryHU3DCv58SbQCD4B0XPx0/dOBtmDYkGKdcTkpQRGFBD4B4gjvowT1L1TPF4B7R2+orJRxb/VekKPNlrQ+5jcAEQFcWQuWhSS29I1f6s9Hq9lp6plLfEweaw4XrIcKsj57g9yjLYfVhkQl4KRfW5OXIB6TQY5HdJ7ZegZTkoCQ== X-YMail-OSG: xcLEMDgVM1nB72GLaoYLcUzl5BrawbewC4iECZYPGKE0v42l7GKJem7jEi1QroV wKQtVk8Axoo.vjTco8YZpDfnWG39O4FUQtc10BGRcKcc3ThVQgRAYAF4jPCUAzQ3igsgiqHip62o TPFr6xf0Wi9IqRfXEulMCDztcdSu4whecqBPsn9cb6ptVAGUON5wrYPKrwKhcyOt3r5VuRz4ndX_ dCy6ADZRfQXgSdAlSNgTvyOoPxbXBykSDFfXN8.U8u86UQ4ZifXJCHMDhdE.92OkBKAvxwkdSc4O zhLbdjheBwAogkN4_LVTREY60ejwspZf3PjdtpoGRJWuqiZXFuFqkl72NsAH4b4ZWPS_f4Il.SRQ ey5QC5wsB6hzWYGezIWWrhtPWX4apBU_zS.hdi9ks7P4lauyv7ItbTG8g7Hefxk_MTQGXf2gH.cf ADccB_NSf7ejkyV0vh2Gt0uqSnYCkeH9ARIjbXL8OqhpH5jxs_5wNbFytfPL6K_EUUF1SicfidNA awJD4Sz7PSYd_KvX4cN.ufjDYoUwnJDiDVqMM0UKsTHaRsu7ndaBG.2p9t3v79HMOp00pxt6IzcP Y5Uq1C63xH_.N9dL1WrC7P.GB8ipn6QkofkK3PuP7sb74fLPSaVvGkgwBu6iOYtJkanp7YlzaHLE hBQurZCT6TZTS_i_i1RHQ03eV5RYi7fPf2bya7Rz1GVCwWn597GpapYDlcmsUkLnhRpypgpHUgOa ZcFSLY9tIRoTkskJTMCuAnOE_U2gpzZbqPZDzKNptvDXk0EL6QmSOxg2W4zkJMDeYHWYlq0U5TQS 2WLwX6xi_6M33eSIkOzZrIXP2EBWzP8toIKCxj.udF Original-Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic301.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 09:54:54 +0000 Original-Received: by smtp414.mail.sg3.yahoo.com (VZM Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 534792f3b993df40a8c08c3e275a2ed2; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 09:54:49 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: (Tim Cross's message of "Mon, 20 Apr 2020 13:32:15 +1000") X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.15651 hermes Apache-HttpAsyncClient/4.1.4 (Java/11.0.6) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=66.163.184.200; envelope-from=luangruo@yahoo.com; helo=sonic301-31.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs1p.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/04/20 05:54:54 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.1-3.10 X-Received-From: 66.163.184.200 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:247372 Archived-At: Tim Cross writes: > How will any of this differ from the many existing canned default setups already available? In fact, given the limitation on only using Emacs built-in packages, is it even possible to do a setup which is even close to some of these canned setups, many of which appear to > be targeted at new users (spacemacs, doom, prelude, etc). Are we just talking about a GNU canned configuration? More of a few well thought-out tips that are easily discoverable by users. > But I guess we would need to pull in several third-party packages to > have a modern "batteries included" Emacs. AFAIK, that is > unfortunately not possible given the copyright assignment requirement. > But perhaps a default "modern" mode could be a bit less ambitious. Agreed, but I believe most package maintainers would be willing to assign copyright to the FSF. (For instance Eglot would count as an important package, and it's in ELPA).