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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:247454 Archived-At: On Tue, Apr 21 2020, Richard Stallman wrote: > I use LibreOffice. It works, but I very much miss the > fundamental capabilities of Emacs. > > I want to do word processing in Emacs and program commands in > Emacs Lisp. Lots of people are writing books and articles in Emacs using Org mode, which is as close to a full-blown office suite (word processor, PIM, spread sheet, presentation editor) as any text editor will get. If you want to do word processing in Emacs, you should check it out and see where it can be improved/extended to get to where you want Emacs to go. -- Joost Kremers Life has its moments