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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -17 X-Spam_score: -1.8 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:254699 Archived-At: > Doesn't menu File > Open File do what you request, > by default? Likewise, other file operations, such > as File > Insert File, File > Save As, and File > > Open Directory. Hmm. You are right. I thought that the problem was with Emacs defaults, but it seems to be a problem with helm, which I asked to install at the very beginning - it appears to override the file dialogue. Best, Ihor Drew Adams writes: >> 3. File opening dialogue is completely throwing the new user off - >> people are too used to pop-up file opening dialogue listing all the >> files. The message area is even not noticed. > >> 6. Some new users might be confused by default file open dialogie >> involving mode-line. I believe that similarly to CUA-mode, Emacs can >> emulate more standard approach by offering dired as a way to open files >> (not enabled by default, but offered as a customisation together with >> CUA-mode). > > Doesn't menu File > Open File do what you request, > by default? Likewise, other file operations, such > as File > Insert File, File > Save As, and File > > Open Directory. > > On MS Windows, for example, this just uses the usual > Windows file selection dialog box. > > This depends on the value of option `use-file-dialog', > but that's `t' by default (as is `use-dialog-box'). > > "Non-nil means mouse commands use a file dialog to ask for files. > This applies to commands from menus and tool bar buttons even when > they are initiated from the keyboard. If 'use-dialog-box' is nil, > that disables the use of a file dialog, regardless of the value of > this variable." > > https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/emacs/Dialog-Boxes.html