From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Michael Albinus Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: How to make Emacs popular again. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:257309 Archived-At: Drew Adams writes: >> One way to register new manuals is by calling >> `info-lookup-maybe-add-help' to register a new help >> specification. Here's how info-lookup recognizes Tramp symbols from >> Emacs Lisp buffers, for example:... >> >> If you are not in an Emacs Lisp buffer, you can always do C-u C-h S and >> select `tramp-info-lookup-mode' manually. > > OK, good to know. It would be good to incorporate > such an ability in an easy-to-specify/use manner. > > E.g., in `help-fns+.el' you can just specify a list > of manuals to use, in a user-option. > > It sounds like what you describe would need some > encapsulation, massaging, or interfacing, to let > users just do that to make use of specific manuals. In Tramp, I've implemented a package-self hook. That is, if Tramp is loodad, it hooks its manual into info-lookup. A similar approach could be recommended for other packages. Best regards, Michael.