From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: How to make Emacs popular again: Use monospaced fonts less Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2020 09:53:12 +0200 Message-ID: <87r1q11bx3.fsf@gnus.org> References: <84273aa2-24a9-7584-18b9-03a5ac783d62@yandex.ru> <835z7vjrg3.fsf@gnu.org> <83tuvegkmo.fsf@gnu.org> <83v9ftf6n9.fsf@gnu.org> <835z7qfp6h.fsf@gnu.org> <87ft6lgw5y.fsf_-_@gnus.org> <87lfgahtcw.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87o8l51mh3.fsf@gnus.org> <87k0vt9tgx.fsf@protesilaos.com> <87v9fd1dyp.fsf@gnus.org> <87a6wp9rmv.fsf@protesilaos.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="36850"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, Juri Linkov To: Protesilaos Stavrou Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 14 09:54:24 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kSbc8-0009Sk-Pw for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 09:54:24 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37658 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kSbc6-0002Vg-Ep for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 03:54:22 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:56104) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kSbb9-00023g-4X for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 03:53:23 -0400 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2]:45840) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kSbb7-000449-FH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 03:53:22 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=OyCZicWKX7m/i/RM6UblT4lJAPb0QFdxZ0Zwi2AQem0=; b=jO4jqYSJucUBYMZKT+9dyjGRWY HXWe8IRoFMuZvmcqDUxnvAYy08N1mmIXzK5QRkBPaju+YbiTqNKKIa1xvGgNxoEnWIkgTjR2oeCN1 nBfczDW0u1522xUh57FJrgt7WtDIgFeXkgSeL0eaJTMvUGVOFEzvu6mD6YlMk7Lsh4Uw=; Original-Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kSbb0-0000gR-5L; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 09:53:17 +0200 Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAFVBMVEX3+PrT0tuAbnuf m6dRTVofHy7///8G05ksAAAAAWJLR0QGYWa4fQAAAAd0SU1FB+QKDgcyOVxUVloAAAGbSURBVDjL ndBNgqsgDABgaOcAIM6+BrqvwOynGg7w1Nz/Ki+CVuuzm5eNJB8/MUJsUYkPET+BFx9DqtNysO73 rG5oCscTXJCA9Cdf9/YsAwZdenOHY6pW9eP07W9Mt1P4ITptSlwA9ldJvYZ6T7bupNQ+Te0r3R2u EqXxCHxW3gdIpP6F66B0pOcBtJBfN6F9mcsK0liG6iGkfz2SwSB2pxAJ00NXNxHx3u9AOiLspcEm 2mh3cGlsiKQNtEEXUBlULcQ1UusbEQx0uUfJIFXFbUVqvNVgYeCdsoA23Jejp4fgwfXz/gLtxRuH 1HuwwSPPnqdbwESXEBlCcB0Mee4ZtK4QGFwbEQJNtoBptajBpZHBARjin+IJXTN46/gNhwM0F5qj EVdlWtNWMEOiwag6wzhDqH6N564i0aTFd4ZBXLWxcZzbHe5cMOpnA0hjhUhT4oK/3TdwadLe5Zzg uQNMPMCSU9eltEAb5zykAhPSfYW5hMtNDLhcdfHLxiXStII7AK1QVifwlr9iEF90Gv8PW1cbYA4o H+ygrPq/uHujT1Z8KtUAAAAldEVYdGRhdGU6Y3JlYXRlADIwMjAtMTAtMTRUMDc6NTA6NTcrMDA6 MDC7D0CAAAAAJXRFWHRkYXRlOm1vZGlmeQAyMDIwLTEwLTE0VDA3OjUwOjU3KzAwOjAwylL4PAAA AABJRU5ErkJggg== X-Now-Playing: Kraftwerk's _Ralf & Florian_: =?utf-8?Q?=22Heimatkl=C3=A4ng?= =?utf-8?Q?e=22?= In-Reply-To: <87a6wp9rmv.fsf@protesilaos.com> (Protesilaos Stavrou's message of "Wed, 14 Oct 2020 10:46:32 +0300") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2; envelope-from=larsi@gnus.org; helo=quimby.gnus.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: No matching host in p0f cache. That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:257619 Archived-At: Protesilaos Stavrou writes: >> I'm using DejaVu Sans, and all the digits are the same width here. > > True for DejaVu Sans. Though it is the difference between the width of > a space and a character/digit that causes the issue for me. Again, this > is minor and subjective. Yes, with variable width fonts, different characters take up various amount of space -- that's the point, and will have to be dealt with. There seemed to be some claims that even totally numerical elements (that doesn't change the number of digits) also leads to shifts that'll have to be handled (like display-time-mode), and that just isn't lining up with my experiences. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no