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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:261839 Archived-At: Jean Louis writes: > * Daniel Brooks [2020-12-26 13:15]: >> Jean Louis writes: >> >> > * Eli Zaretskii [2020-12-26 12:32]: >> >> I think this issue is largely irrelevant to Emacs (and to translating >> >> program messages in general), since it customary nowadays to avoid >> >> gender-specific language. We certainly do that in Emacs. >> > >> > In many languages nouns have its gender classes, and I hope you do not >> > mean that. Example is that flower in German is refered as female while >> > in some other languages as male. >> >> The example I used was dealing with the gender of a user, rather than of >> a random noun. Emacs itself doesn't talk about the user very much, >> though in principle I could see someone using BBDB to keep track of the >> gender of their contacts. Regardless, Fluent can handle either type of >> linguistic gender with equal ease, as well as all other types of variation. > > Do you mean to teach computer to recognize gender of the user by the > user's name? That would not be a good guess. No, no. Go back and look at the example I used; the user's gender was an input. The user in that example has chosen their own gender, and the translation can use that to output the grammatically correct sentence. As I said, it's not super relevant to Emacs. I only included it to show that Fluent handles all variations the same way, whether it's plurals or gender or declension. db48x