From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Phillip Lord Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: policy discussion on bundling ELPA packages in the emacs tarball Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2021 21:49:02 +0000 Message-ID: <87r1magg4x.fsf@russet.org.uk> References: <86eeifawx8.fsf@stephe-leake.org> <87czxygdl9.fsf@russet.org.uk> <86tur88izp.fsf@stephe-leake.org> <831rec5apu.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="13241"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Stephen Leake , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Jan 24 22:50:59 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1l3nHe-0003Le-SP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2021 22:50:58 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42830 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l3nHd-0004do-TX for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2021 16:50:57 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:52882) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l3nGd-0004Bb-Aw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2021 16:49:55 -0500 Original-Received: from cloud103.planethippo.com ([78.129.138.110]:34146) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l3nGa-000772-Vg; Sun, 24 Jan 2021 16:49:54 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=russet.org.uk; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID :Date:In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date: Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id: List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=STABplPiIN28595EJDOdmQgMNQOAUpehOiCFTY1VhCw=; b=S2h6dwxqb1rGj0CC/Pc39v6iU qZcNWWYbphycCfVMtQu5zX4YJ50v7YZWM4N/jCIVbcnDbpz3HdtPCejttmMZf9OBdAI44tEmOO05D QpuAHvL1dC7jAZ1yZ9E3H4sCLU+9t7vuVhKd0LQFwFKPqqKEMoeL1nXOY2qfyZE0XmkCr59ZPRY0j T14T82HrOUVxGsl9Ny7z3B4UQfNM/Z3JO2Fs32onvABDyqkN/waq9yYrjnKIeB6N5MScU/B9/CVs1 ZVA8+T2VMMRGDuAjY0JaELcbSsZKrT0qJ27zm+UYN1y6BNh/sDldaGM28+sv8s0iW5xUlSMZOt2zp U4NxbjPLA==; Original-Received: from cpc142648-benw12-2-0-cust627.16-2.cable.virginm.net ([82.10.74.116]:49878 helo=russet.org.uk) by cloud103.planethippo.com with esmtpsa (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.93) (envelope-from ) id 1l3nFt-0007vb-BR; Sun, 24 Jan 2021 21:49:09 +0000 In-Reply-To: <831rec5apu.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 23 Jan 2021 10:17:01 +0200") X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - cloud103.planethippo.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - russet.org.uk X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: cloud103.planethippo.com: authenticated_id: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk X-Authenticated-Sender: cloud103.planethippo.com: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk Received-SPF: none client-ip=78.129.138.110; envelope-from=phillip.lord@russet.org.uk; helo=cloud103.planethippo.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:263360 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> If the submodules cannot be worktrees, then I think we have to >> abandon this approach. > > I'm not sure. There are alternatives to using worktrees, so the fact > that some of us use worktrees in some workflows should not necessarily > veto the submodule solution to integrating ELPA into Emacs, because > this integration is more important than personal workflows. > > But maybe I misunderstand what you mean by "submodule cannot be > worktrees", because AFAIU Phillip raised an issue that is a different > one: whether submodules live well with different branches being > checked out in different worktrees -- there's nothing there to suggest > that submodules themselves should be worktrees. Just so. The version of git (2.25.1) on my laptop reports worktree and submodules as being broken. And the 2.30 also the same https://git-scm.com/docs/git-worktree There are ways around all of this, of course, but this use of submodules will break my workflow at least. Phil