From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: Repurpose one key and reserve it for third-party packages Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2021 09:13:19 +0100 Message-ID: <87r1lpk6ao.fsf@gnus.org> References: <7ef75c33936136eb3a20@heytings.org> <87tuqmli7l.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="25779"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Gregory Heytings , emacs-devel@gnu.org, Stefan Kangas , rms@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Feb 09 10:11:25 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1l9P3L-0006bR-Vt for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2021 10:11:23 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42908 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l9P3K-0006Mf-V7 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2021 04:11:22 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:54880) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l9O9I-0002n3-JI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2021 03:13:30 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2]:45712) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l9O9G-0005BZ-JN; Tue, 09 Feb 2021 03:13:28 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=fgUJptACW2eq8OMS2JnBRQVBF4OWN8qe51Na06rH+o8=; b=LTv46D7v84UehMMM7ur2y/QVTV 4DR72++an72kL7kMMsFNAO5KtjgwSNKlsY99OA3pSE4F0/eLzYg+NLF2DFkZJ+sZJxRFQAXyIfnlV 8LeaUPOE2YCE56V7ivxuurQ7Z0XEwvKkS0LC6lrt82icowhdKDUE4/ALce4aht8M7hxk=; Original-Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1l9O9A-0000Kc-VT; Tue, 09 Feb 2021 09:13:24 +0100 Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwCAMAAABg3Am1AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAM1BMVEX+/v7M4OuczuLr 7vC0t525aUnpXyhce5NEns33SxhXp9HWOxanNxvimDXXrEhJn2j///8PZfWcAAAAAWJLR0QQlbIN LAAAAAd0SU1FB+UCCQgIDTXum3YAAAC+SURBVEjH7ZPdDoMwCEallEp/aN//bYV6sS1LVrzZVU9I TPQ7AbQex2az+Q2EEAD98UiUTubgzAfKhhrF1UTztVqdhYtrntRqyq3NHo6pgkgy1GiFeZnHKNPI VQ1ihvVEchvaoqqxnAli72ZE0R41j6WA0fJqaNWcXAJNow/JRGO5wwFdDTJhEJHjQ9hMRLMF5dNz OsC2sM27uPL3i5pC8Z4+hKiUsl74pSA8+B02mz/x7FAiaiF+3fy4vj1QLntgB3hy/AkSAAAAJXRF WHRkYXRlOmNyZWF0ZQAyMDIxLTAyLTA5VDA4OjA4OjEyKzAwOjAwoJqIMwAAACV0RVh0ZGF0ZTpt b2RpZnkAMjAyMS0wMi0wOVQwODowODoxMiswMDowMNHHMI8AAAAASUVORK5CYII= X-Now-Playing: Kid Creole & The Coconuts's _I'm A Wonderful Thing (baby)_: "Me No Pop I" In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Mon, 08 Feb 2021 16:33:05 -0500") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2; envelope-from=larsi@gnus.org; helo=quimby.gnus.org X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:264212 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: >> The problem is that `C-z' is really useful in a terminal, and having the >> keystrokes diverge to a great degree between GUI Emacs and terminal >> Emacs would be unfortunate. >>> Of the global M-bindings, `M-o' seems least useful to me. >> Indeed. > > And yet the corresponding feature is *preloaded* :-( > > Stefan "whose M-o is unbound because his local Emacs patches > include removing that part of loadup.el" > > PS: It took me a bit if digging to figure out why my M-o was unbound. > That's a change I made a very long time ago. We've previously discussed doing time-limited experiments -- perhaps this is a good test case for that. That is, I propose that we remove the `M-o' binding on the trunk for one month, and see how many (if any) complaints we get. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no