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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:268154 Archived-At: Robert Weiner writes: > On Sun, Oct 11, 2020 at 1:38 AM Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: > > Other obvious candidates for variable-pitching are basically any mode > that displays data in tabular form. And, of course, the manuals, but > that'll happen by itself once we move from .info to .html. > > Is this a serious statement? Please don't do that. I can browse an entire Info manual easily inside Emacs nicely by pressing the spacebar and delete only. I can > search entire manuals quickly and move across manuals easily. (Jumping in without having read the whole thread; my apologies if my reply misses the mark) FWIW, Emacs's web browser (M-x eww), just like most read-only modes, supports SPC and DEL for forward and backward page navigation. Whatever this hypothetical move from .info to .html entails (I don't think we have seen patches for that yet), I expect the maintainers' vision is to keep feature parity with the current Info browser, with all its indexing and searching convenience; I don't think there should be cause for alarm.