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[220.235.1.77]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id h7sm3052196pfe.125.2021.09.04.13.30.59 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sat, 04 Sep 2021 13:31:00 -0700 (PDT) In-reply-to: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::52a; envelope-from=theophilusx@gmail.com; helo=mail-pg1-x52a.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -1 X-Spam_score: -0.2 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (-0.2 / 5.0 requ) DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:273963 Archived-At: Daniel Fleischer writes: > Drew Adams [2021-09-04 Sat 19:14] wrote: > >> I was thinking of `electric-pair-mode' (not the >> indenting), sorry. Do most other editors >> automatically insert closing delimiters etc.? >> Even for non-code text? > > Code editors YES, word processors NO. You're exactly right with that; > we need to split our modifications and put them on either prog-mode or > text-mode. > >> You won't get any argument from me about what >> belongs in Emacs tool bars. I don't use the >> tool-bar, and I don't know what's best wrt it >> for emacs -Q - either in terms of whether it >> should be on or off or what buttons it should >> contain. > > We are not talking here about modifying default (-Q) Emacs; we're > talking about creating an OPT-IN experience for new users that will > increase the probability of them liking and using Emacs in the future, > increasing Emacs popularity and community. > > So this specific discussion is on whether adding certain defaults will > likely make new users more comfortable or not. It will have no effect > on users who would not turn this feature ON. > >> And how to know what solution is good for that? >> Why not encourage such experiments, and see how >> actual users actually take up the results? > > I don't think people who start using Emacs and create their own packages > is the demographics for these profiles. We can do experiments by > introducing the feature and doing some surveys. It might be worthwhile looking at some of the existing configuration packages and perhaps use what they do for inspiration. For example https://github.com/technomancy/better-defaults - there are others mentioned on the emacs wiki. Likewise, extracting some of the more simple tweaks from prelude or Purcell's .emacs.d may e informative as both these 'distributions' are quite popular and unlike spacemacs/doom, are not based around evil mode. Things which are common to both of these are likely good candidates for inclusion. Also worth noting that both these setups make a distinction between 'pros' and 'programming', which I think is preferable to global settings for many options.