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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:273853 Archived-At: Stefan Kangas writes: > Could you elaborate? I work in a (partially) Java shop that mandates the use of tabs as indentation for all C-like languages (which is Java and C++, for the most part.), where one can get in trouble for checking-in code with inconsistent tabulation. Many of us also use Emacs, and I'm sure it would be quite a disruption for indent-tabs-mode to be made nil by default. As of late, our superiors have also been trying to convince us to move to NetBeans, from the current mix of Emacs and IntelliJ products. If Emacs were found to be the culprit behind a large influx of bad code, it could potentially turn that from advice into a mandate, which doesn't quite appeal to me.