From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Tweaking the output of `C-h b' Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2021 15:23:22 +0100 Message-ID: <87r1c0rm3p.fsf@gnus.org> References: <87lf29xdkf.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7cxx9bh.fsf@gnus.org> <874k8xx8fc.fsf@gnus.org> <87r1c0x6ul.fsf@gnus.org> <87mtmox56x.fsf@gnus.org> <87ilxcx2kp.fsf@gnus.org> <87pmrkztw2.fsf@gmail.com> <87a6iox02o.fsf@gnus.org> <875ytckwfx.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="3864"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Stefan Monnier , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: =?utf-8?Q?K=C3=A9vin?= Le Gouguec Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 01 15:24:50 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mhYEz-0000pU-L3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 01 Nov 2021 15:24:49 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55424 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mhYEy-0003Cp-E2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 01 Nov 2021 10:24:48 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:42656) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mhYDi-0001YA-2I for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Nov 2021 10:23:30 -0400 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2]:40424) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mhYDf-0006dH-BL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Nov 2021 10:23:29 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID :In-Reply-To:Date:References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=AMpuClkN4CYPzKaj/8c6EpAWbZl0LaJNmv6E30FRk6Y=; b=gyRS8U6Zmqx5DNGU5N7OhQ0wsu RFbroUQtibZkOCek4YtXhrR+UaAI9pV2C14SwMz1P3wJ3onVIoRKhGaytzpGgL2SPAbXfX+rXKPbS qD3DfuMZi97J4nOc+8S6CGAXr4vIhoJyvSDAX3uU28iSmBxoqVCdLMSbXbsCtdRAhg3E=; Original-Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=elva) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mhYDb-0005rc-2x; Mon, 01 Nov 2021 15:23:25 +0100 Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAGFBMVEUnExYaDg8+GyAt Hx9IGR5PHCFNICT///8pxHLJAAAAAWJLR0QHFmGI6wAAAAd0SU1FB+ULAQ4BOpC4sxwAAAEwSURB VDjLfZP9ccMgDMUlvMBT2gEIXoA7L+D4ukB7yf/df4qCjEFgN7ocR95PehZfRAQmxyLpJ8eYghTk SBIYYgEF74ICxVll5NzgvJZQGVXUOXanXB7IRkiRSZ47ozsFu5ejuerZSD8imhQbsC1GY2XabAkq o0yO2Bch5zCJ6JxE+7kErcKIXLxG/82nAsQGShGeq3gPD9tlHm6vFXMCUoEvFeEuYU4nNoLbdsfr x1qVyefzG1/bx+8J3LYHttWCuh0sFOFru23p6BZo9gQ87naLKb7ddpwA/Welt2zcxHKwBgyndGEF 6r5BOC56kan9Y6NTexBUjXh/NCzn0Dcml4BxCXQt53Vc36t8APmGLiPg0vAAUN9sD+o7pqUHTe4B jN4Beg+mpQfqE6dlz1+WP8IYQVAEOcu+AAAAJXRFWHRkYXRlOmNyZWF0ZQAyMDIxLTExLTAxVDE0 OjAxOjU4KzAwOjAwziKIYAAAACV0RVh0ZGF0ZTptb2RpZnkAMjAyMS0xMS0wMVQxNDowMTo1OCsw MDowML9/MNwAAAAASUVORK5CYII= X-Now-Playing: Electrelane's _Axes_: "Eight Steps" In-Reply-To: <875ytckwfx.fsf@gmail.com> (=?utf-8?Q?=22K=C3=A9vin?= Le Gouguec"'s message of "Mon, 01 Nov 2021 11:21:54 +0100") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2; envelope-from=larsi@gnus.org; helo=quimby.gnus.org X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:278389 Archived-At: K=C3=A9vin Le Gouguec writes: > That's a fair assumption; still, I could imagine some users liking the > new buttons enough to want them in e.g. NEWS or Org buffers. > > If that doesn't sound too outlandish, > > (1) Should outline-minor-mode-use-buttons be renamed to > outline-use-buttons? > > (2) Should it be left for opinionated modes to tweak (and opinionated > users to adjust in mode hooks), or should it be customizable? > Something like > > - nil: never use buttons > > - t: always use buttons (in outline-minor-mode, outline-mode, and > derived modes) > > - a list of modes; this could be the default value, set to > '(outline-minor-mode)? Currently, the *Help* buffer sets the variable buffer-locally. So perhaps just renaming it to outline-use-buttons would make sense and people could decide to use them in outline major mode, too. But I haven't tested that at all. > Another minor nit though: if I move to "Major Mode Bindings:" with 'n', > then hit 'C-p', I move to the end of the previous line (i.e. after the > "Key translations:" ellipsis) instead of the beginning (i.e. the "Key > translations:" button). > > It's not a big deal since 'p' works fine; just slightly disorienting. Yes, it's not good. But I think that's a general problem with invisible text (which outline uses)? I feel like I've stumbled onto that issue previosly. --=20 (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no