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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:278826 Archived-At: writes: > On Thu, Nov 04, 2021 at 07:23:08PM -0700, Daniel Brooks wrote: >> No other suggested feature will be useful to me. This one will. I >> suggest to you that you do not know what all users want. > > So far, so good. Emacs is extensible for a reason. If it doesn't suit > you, you can always extend it. > > What you can request from a maintainer is that (s)he makes your task > easier, by providing the necessary knobs and levers. Please don=E2=80=99t put words in my mouth; I did not ask him to provide anything. I have repeatedly tried to convince him that his suggested fix was inadequate, but offered to do the work myself. I will probably do that work this weekend, in case anyone else wants to use it. In fact, I seem to recall that I entered this discussion agreeing with him that somebody should write something, but offering the suggestion that we didn=E2=80=99t need to write a whole new mode since whitespace-mode= is right there and very handy. Others have made other similar suggestions, such as the uni-confusables package from ELPA. Gregory Heytings suggested using buffer-display-table directly, rather than going through whitespace-mode. > > [...] > >> Now I think you are being deliberately insulting. I conclude that your >> only purpose in this conversation was to troll people or to say no to >> any solution you didn=E2=80=99t think of yourself. > > But this, for my taste, at least, goes definitely too far. I think > Eli knows much more about Emacs and bidi than most of the people > around here taken together. He may be wrong on whatever thing (we > all are sometimes), and convincing him is sometimes hard work, but > accusing him of trolling is Just Wrong. IMO. I disagree. You conveniently ommitted the part where he compared me to the TSA. What can that be other than a troll? At least he didn=E2=80=99t ca= ll me a Nazi I guess. db48x