From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Po Lu Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Allowing point to be outside the window? 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:280444 Archived-At: Alan Mackenzie writes: > Why would anybody want this? Why do you want this? This isn't a > rhetorical question. Because other programs do it isn't a satisfactory > reason. > I detest this behaviour, and that Emacs doesn't (currently) do it is a > large part of the reason why I use Emacs. With these other programs I > experience a constant background stress, that the careless or accidental > depression of a key causes BANG!!! and the text I was reading > disappears for ever, being overwritten by the text around point. > Also, as Eli has asked, how would you bring point back into the > currently displayed window position? Please assume the user doesn't > have a mouse, or dislikes using it. It would also be good to have some > means of setting the mark there. The feature will be optional, of course. And it will certainly be disabled by default, because I don't want it either.