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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:288346 Archived-At: Hello, On Tue 12 Apr 2022 at 11:58pm -04, Richard Stallman wrote: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > > Add two classic Common Lisp macro-writing macros > > > > > > * lisp/emacs-lisp/cl-macs.el (cl-with-gensyms, cl-once-only): New macros. > > > Doesn't this need documentation and an entry in NEWS? > > Are they needed only for compatibility with some Common Lisp programs? > > If these are useful new features, why define them with `cl-' in their names? > > If they aren't, why define them at all? They're useful new features rather than for compat. Stefan was concerned that "once-only" is not descriptive enough. But it's the usual CL name for this macro. So I concluded that prefixing both with cl- will be easiest to memorise. -- Sean Whitton