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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 6c3ffc60958cf077fd5eedeb969b1d44; Wed, 08 Jun 2022 00:36:52 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <87pmjknmrf.fsf@gmail.com> (=?utf-8?Q?=22K=C3=A9vin?= Le Gouguec"'s message of "Wed, 08 Jun 2022 00:15:32 +0200") X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.20280 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Received-SPF: pass client-ip=66.163.186.206; envelope-from=luangruo@yahoo.com; helo=sonic310-25.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:290892 Archived-At: K=C3=A9vin Le Gouguec writes: > So your paraphrasing ("expecting someone to go through the entire Org > manual in order to write and edit README files") struck me as > disconnected from (my own understanding of) Tim's argument: AFAIU, > > * he wasn't saying _Org users_ need to go through the manual, > > * he was confronting the "784 bindings" argument by saying it was not a > particularly useful heuristic, inviting _us_ (participants of the > present discussion) to check for ourselves what proportion of these > bindings are actually relevant to the discussion. > > Again though, cannot speak for Tim; I can only explain my undertanding > of the discussion, and why I was dumbfounded by your reply. Going through the key bindings in the Org manual means to essentially read the entire manual. > If there's been advocating for all documentation to be written in Org, > I've (dis)missed that, so sorry for not following closely enough. That's how this discussion started, with Stefan K asking for all documentation to be written in Org mode.