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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:291089 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> So, now we have our manual written in Org mode and we never had reasons >> to come back to texi. > > And I get to wait for 2 minutes for the build to finish each time > org.org is touched. Right. This is not very polite. The change did not aim to make your life harder. You are free to open discussion in Org ML about turning back to texi format, but it will, for example, make things harder for me and other people who are not familiar with texinfo format. I am not sure if build time justifies extra maintenance burden. I just pushed several improvements to ox.el. They reduce manual generation time 2x on my system (using main branch). Feel free to try it on your side. AFAIU, the effect should be more noticeable on slower systems. It may also help if you try to profile org-make-manuals from mk/org-fixup.el and share the results. Best, Ihor