From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ihor Radchenko Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Org mode and Emacs Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2022 14:35:00 +0800 Message-ID: <87r0zy63u3.fsf@localhost> References: <87y1u8b1gj.fsf@gmail.com> <8735cgot9x.fsf@gnu.org> <83leq7naql.fsf@gnu.org> <86o7v3ryan.fsf@gmail.com> <87wn9qfyv6.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="10489"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Tim Cross , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Bastien Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 26 08:40:44 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ochnH-0002XE-Sn for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 26 Sep 2022 08:40:43 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53920 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ochnG-0002J8-Bp for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 26 Sep 2022 02:40:42 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:38742) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ochh6-0008Db-Gg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 26 Sep 2022 02:34:21 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pf1-x42d.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::42d]:42811) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ochh4-0006wh-LX; Mon, 26 Sep 2022 02:34:20 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-pf1-x42d.google.com with SMTP id b23so5686202pfp.9; Sun, 25 Sep 2022 23:34:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:message-id:date:references:in-reply-to:subject:cc:to :from:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=Y9nOpTccR8Jgm+Qp2Yl9z829AtMWz6/tirOADmyHsYc=; b=je5x1CtpaBmRQJJfA3gfASkFaNnX2z9g/c6Ba0MJzUQFcU61e0aqpzDaQJW4ajZSeq FZQYo6HAs/51SZJ9GLOTHDnzPIHvIZNQ8mlj/OlAWpVBTRerCbhAAQZnh/MITBGj3b5L 96jJgXlk9OV0tHk1eHgNzQJ0kryEdhv8RU9dxiQrCheYvFnA37f+ZVDfGGZjn03J56xc /Jqz0w3vQmvcmAiNiWIHj26uSO8HrHCiqWMwP/xFMJVOwi+4ikhiEdB96RqHRna8VV8g 4A/K8Jia6GkSxU8dTfDSJWG/TZsAjHeVyb/PpQBriri+/YT0TcGdGt+NslSnTOrMsS/i Zz8Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=mime-version:message-id:date:references:in-reply-to:subject:cc:to :from:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=Y9nOpTccR8Jgm+Qp2Yl9z829AtMWz6/tirOADmyHsYc=; b=WgBNdh0sTryBMyXHhjs5xE9gsJ/+b6IzUxHTUCuNwUjfBDUcpr2YqW4otU9Sz/eUjg fHGLnE/G/SHM/ovTamaMPfDSjbCjDgL+YTDMZOShFbQzumPkp8D7FqVtwezaDHtuVzY5 guZhCiw7yp1944TbmXq5lHOVqOr+1gCyv4oNAy1CfakYY6Cn38lteFWupJgHd+tp0qZ5 iSnNUYx3dxQRDgZL6x40gGZZ6sb9j8BTzHua1wG//F0Canac6h7X9lUFfgvya/xxXKdB KWAjYYhg6Q4rF4A51aGNn39JcqP8dt7lIl0cpvKv/jM+aClLtQ0q7Du+4bOalzqkOis4 7P0g== X-Gm-Message-State: ACrzQf3nNm6iSERw01Udq+i2lH+w4Mxj7kz1inPJ+4TTeUt3X2ftRiTl YGTfvurALNtLb6rys+gZcvrBpp88p8KSKQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMsMyM6wTpEdljG7NDUXQQsK1U9hp05BYbWyeB7eHhggSLsj1b5nu0IB530mhS8K93zPx+0xTrHXSQ== X-Received: by 2002:a05:6a00:21c2:b0:52b:ff44:6680 with SMTP id t2-20020a056a0021c200b0052bff446680mr22072130pfj.57.1664174055426; Sun, 25 Sep 2022 23:34:15 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from localhost ([2409:8970:a80:3a4:8ec6:81ff:fe70:339d]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id h6-20020aa79f46000000b00540ffb28da0sm11666066pfr.91.2022.09.25.23.34.13 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sun, 25 Sep 2022 23:34:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87wn9qfyv6.fsf@gnu.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::42d; envelope-from=yantar92@gmail.com; helo=mail-pf1-x42d.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -17 X-Spam_score: -1.8 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:296256 Archived-At: Bastien writes: > Hi Tim, > > Tim Cross writes: > >> The question I wonder about is where are we most likely to get the >> majority of our contributions from, those who use org mode and know it >> or those who don't and for those who use org-mode, how many will >> know texinfo? > > Recruiting contributors for Org is also a way to recruit contributors > for the GNU project in general, which uses Texinfo as its standard > format for manuals. I am now more concerned about Org contributors. I am not sure if we have a luxury to push our contributors into GNU project by forcing them to learn texinfo in addition to Org (note that I do not say that we should not encourage people to contribute to GNU; just that we should not discourage people from becoming Org contributors in the first place). >> Real problem is the challenge of realising a better >> process given the very very few core contributors available - basically >> a resourcing challenge). > > What we don't see so far is the contributors we lose because we use > .org as the format for the manual: Eli is one and there are probably > others. I am wondering how many Emacs developers contributed to Org in the past. In particular, before we switched away from .texi manual. -- Ihor Radchenko, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at https://orgmode.org/. Support Org development at https://liberapay.com/org-mode, or support my work at https://liberapay.com/yantar92