From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Suppressing native compilation (short and long term) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2022 18:13:58 +0200 Message-ID: <87r0zm2qpl.fsf@gnus.org> References: <87bkqxf1ij.fsf@tethera.net> <87mtafnun5.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <83sfk6ahty.fsf@gnu.org> <8735c6b0wo.fsf@gnus.org> <87y1ty9lha.fsf@gnus.org> <87lepym6ok.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <877d1i9h7k.fsf@gnus.org> <83edvqyr3q.fsf@gnu.org> <874jwl8e4p.fsf@gnus.org> <87pmf64beo.fsf@gnus.org> <87h70i4a46.fsf@gnus.org> <87czb648r9.fsf@gnus.org> <874jwi47l6.fsf@gnus.org> <87zgea2sgv.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="19966"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , rlb@defaultvalue.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, david@tethera.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Andrea Corallo Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 05 18:15:21 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1og73J-00052u-2N for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 05 Oct 2022 18:15:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46028 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1og73I-0003e4-5w for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 05 Oct 2022 12:15:20 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:38744) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1og72B-0002H1-VZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Oct 2022 12:14:11 -0400 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2]:49182) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1og729-0001Vw-Ld; Wed, 05 Oct 2022 12:14:11 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References: In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=GkIjd7TtwjAY7Tqdxp8TZbRnAT6siBAIMSMKjesIJsw=; b=uqXKugIzm5DLL1TcEP+ta8IR/x Q/sNOdYzKdApsWvHUvA/5V8kT9s3D4L0zIidSyFZvJn9cKIbHLgUQi59CaVV17gJJB9T1rbFhht6M OMlzI9DSM5ghNZBi4AZ1CzqSLLGqmLVlXAaUNzon/OaPqb0nNdjwMNeh/NeYKmznhfWE=; Original-Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=downe) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1og720-0001lV-5H; Wed, 05 Oct 2022 18:14:02 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Andrea Corallo's message of "Wed, 05 Oct 2022 16:10:39 +0000") Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAIVBMVEUPGC0bK0YbIi0n KS8/QShLTyMvMhckM0sTEhRHThf///9oi53xAAAAAWJLR0QKaND0VgAAAAd0SU1FB+YKBRAGFs8P CwsAAAGySURBVDjLdZM/T8MwEMVPmTJiFtbGXlhrl/IBKBXMcJE6As0pGQtD11KkyDttJX9bfE7S /CtvSu6X9853VgCEULOF14Mxi9kDP6VbLwCIjDEzc9ZsjvcBRGYofGOwN2PwKzY3IOUIHF+EYCAV v0ndglSIrQeaGdelCp+YLJ1WDiYspSpbliYV6EjLGogBYIMuTmOg/UkYJCOH78JADoDSVZSUyQCE mYrDCERh2uw1ue5G8TjVHKvp6FRsuM9w2g54e657B3YcqtkKLxH7A6raYI4HBqrTWoU5jGtXonVY xvk+amCqpZoRUIPb5Rusovr1Ob78B34boAYgF83kXfJ1h5TcbOqolnwZRHrbbqC96zroEV/tRwNa w/yIuMx/RA3O5XWGmGb5dw2CQRsqnHN4WuOSHbm1bKFQdW5Fz7459yjcybU60MJn0Y/4hLhTdlS6 VbFap/vNJ0BMTTUvKSd3omNqEw8gLslLTgBsSZZojU/l9zX0FFtri8PS2v1VH4CloDEAb+FA64N3 /o/uhvnBKN8DXLTku0noZ+2u19++wyR80QWhANEFEPNLdAWX5R3/gT/O9fQTMPRd6gAAACV0RVh0 ZGF0ZTpjcmVhdGUAMjAyMi0xMC0wNVQxNjowNjoyMiswMDowMNi8EZoAAAAldEVYdGRhdGU6bW9k aWZ5ADIwMjItMTAtMDVUMTY6MDY6MjIrMDA6MDCp4akmAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC X-Now-Playing: Stereolab's _Pulse of the Early Brain (Switched On 5) (1)_: "Trippin' With The Birds" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2; envelope-from=larsi@gnus.org; helo=quimby.gnus.org X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:296989 Archived-At: Andrea Corallo writes: >> (Which reminds me -- one thing I've been pondering for a while is >> whether "emacs -Q" should imply having the JIT off or not. We use "-Q" >> to get a repeatable Emacs for users, so it would make some sense to have >> -Q now imply `inhibit-automatic-native-compilation'. > > Noooo please!! -Q has just one single clear meaning, let please not add > other implications to it!! The situation would become very quickly > unmanageable. Yes, that one clear meaning is: -Q, --quick Similar to "-q --no-site-file --no-splash". Also, avoid processing X resources.