From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Sean Whitton Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Finalizing 'inhibit-automatic-native-compilation' Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2023 09:17:25 -0700 Message-ID: <87r0v811pm.fsf@melete.silentflame.com> References: <837cx8cey0.fsf@gnu.org> <83357vauh5.fsf@gnu.org> <837cx6a8me.fsf@gnu.org> <83357ua6ja.fsf@gnu.org> <83zga28ra8.fsf@gnu.org> <83r0vd97s0.fsf@gnu.org> <83lell73yv.fsf@gnu.org> <87sffo3as7.fsf@melete.silentflame.com> <83v8kkxzzx.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="34523"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org, akrl@sdf.org, larsi@gnus.org, rlb@defaultvalue.org To: Aymeric Agon-Rambosson , Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Feb 02 17:18:16 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pNcHu-0008gZ-Rf for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:302904 Archived-At: Aymeric, you investigated one of these cases in details. Would you be able to summarise the situation we had in Debian for Eli, please? I don't myself have time for the next week or so. On Thu 02 Feb 2023 at 09:55AM +02, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Sean Whitton >> >> On Sun 29 Jan 2023 at 09:30PM -05, Stefan Monnier wrote: >> >> > I don't know if they need trampolines, but I wouldn't be surprised if >> > they do on occasion. >> >> Some of our addon package test suites use advice in ways that mean we >> need the trampolines. > > Thanks, but if this should be taken into consideration for the > purposes of this discussion and the decision to be made as result, we > need all the details you can provide about these uses. So: > > . what kind of advice are those and which functions they advise? > . where and under what circumstances will those advised functions be > called, as part of your preparation of the packages? (if the > advised functions are only called when the end-user uses the > package, that is not relevant to the present discussion) > . what bad things will happen if the advice will not work (details, please)? > . if we provide a way to specify, via comp-enable-subr-trampolines, > the directory to which the trampolines will be written, will that > satisfy your uses? if not, why not (details, please)? > . why cannot you use native-comp-eln-load-path to force the > trampolines go to a directory of your choice? > . any other pertinent details you can provide > > TIA -- Sean Whitton