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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 0bfaae6999d90dd9bde91e81c06fcd4d; Sat, 17 Jun 2023 07:33:20 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <83zg4yr1tf.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 17 Jun 2023 10:21:48 +0300") X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.21557 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Received-SPF: pass client-ip=66.163.187.148; envelope-from=luangruo@yahoo.com; helo=sonic316-22.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:306863 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> Besides, X, PGTK, and Haiku, seem to have basically a single developer >> at present; we both know who that is. > > Haiku is a niche platform, so I don't think we should be bothered by > its fate in Emacs. > > X and PGTK belong to our main target platform, so if we abandon those, > Emacs basically has no reason to exist. Thus, comparing with those is > not useful, because we _must_ support those as best as we can. We > don't have the same obligation to other platforms. X belongs to our main target platform, as it's a part of the GNU operating system. Wayland is a protocol developed by the Linux graphics developers, but is not part of GNU: we maintain its support to the extent that its users are willing to do so, as a nicety. > Your work is appreciated, but I'm unconvinced that it can make the > impact of this port easy enough to not break our backs. Rather than > relying on beliefs, I'd like to rely on experience with other ports, > and on general experience with Emacs development. I designed the Android port _with_ said experience in mind. Including design mistakes in the Haiku and PGTK ports that I have since fixed. > Granted, this is a judgment call, which is why I brought this up in > the first place. So far, the only Emacs developers who have expressed an opinion here have been you and I. So perhaps we should bring some other voices here: who has any names in mind?