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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:309133 Archived-At: Ihor Radchenko writes: > Why is it a problem? I have seen this term elsewhere as well. > > In any case, the key point is not the terminology, but the fact that > other people independently grouped Org markup with multiple other > markups that are widely used. I may not be the individual best qualified to speak apropos this subject, but I can't imagine any reason learning Texinfo should be any more challenging than learning a version of Org extended to sufficiently address every one of Texinfo's applications. Annulling any hypothetical advantage -- should it exist -- is the significant body of GNU developers who are already proficient in Texinfo, many of whom bear no interest in Org. Richard, what makes you believe that? Can you provide any concrete examples of Texinfo constructs that would be simpler in Org?