From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ihor Radchenko Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Org mode and Emacs Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2023 17:47:43 +0000 Message-ID: <87r0nt1whs.fsf@localhost> References: <87y1u8b1gj.fsf@gmail.com> <8735cgot9x.fsf@gnu.org> <83leq7naql.fsf@gnu.org> <86o7v3ryan.fsf@gmail.com> <87wn9qfyv6.fsf@gnu.org> <87r0zy63u3.fsf@localhost> <87h70ufwr1.fsf@gnu.org> <87o7j48eg9.fsf@localhost> <83ttsw2oeb.fsf@gnu.org> <87lee889ta.fsf@localhost> <87msyi6qk7.fsf@localhost> <87bkey6n0s.fsf@yandex.com> <877cpm2et8.fsf@localhost> <87r0nt7wkw.fsf@yahoo.com> <87zg2h65j9.fsf@yandex.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="18006"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Po Lu , rms@gnu.org, eliz@gnu.org, bzg@gnu.org, yantar92@gmail.com, theophilusx@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: m43cap@yandex.com Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Aug 23 19:48:30 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qYry1-0004MA-RK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 23 Aug 2023 19:48:29 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qYrx0-0002vA-HI; Wed, 23 Aug 2023 13:47:26 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qYrwx-0002v2-J0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Aug 2023 13:47:23 -0400 Original-Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qYrwu-0000ZN-5L for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Aug 2023 13:47:23 -0400 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C3CC924002B for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2023 19:47:17 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1692812837; bh=iwvM7J8UXACV5iOWi1kSiEucM3N8LMHBSHVdFsYk9Mc=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:From; b=J76fHjolz02qMIYIzwF0cAgAfVPQ7qZcS9eXQzrS5npEM7U0M2dV4cj5FSh5wJIko jmKbkmkiVtXJdqTnKCwsKbNntYhvXGtpmED3gqFiBpO6IvOKYTFiYDuwTq5fQ0fpoP j9/nZeyTuadyp0xMZWxVd67c3ClX99kk8Lgguq7wJeNvBqFiX2hnG2YH2hizOH4+3U LolOhWLm2AwZ07hZVjKJet7JGHmgfq13EgYyxDB4iHN7N6EvaJjJTx1lmezuVf67Lx Mci0kdRSe9l70WRcO9xvQ4C+SBm0CeeYSZsdfd+ElIYU2fBQ7IRXUJDdGWLSDmzDeM O926ZTbmeriVA== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4RWDF05YRsz9rxB; Wed, 23 Aug 2023 19:47:16 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <87zg2h65j9.fsf@yandex.com> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.65; envelope-from=yantar92@posteo.net; helo=mout01.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H5=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:309139 Archived-At: Colin Baxter writes: > > Richard, what makes you believe that? Can you provide any > > concrete examples of Texinfo constructs that would be simpler in > > Org? > > Perhaps this ship sailed long ago but would removing org-mode from emacs > core go some way towards making the choice between using texinfo or > org-mode irrelevant? As an external package, org-mode's documentation > could then evolve independently, as its users think best. IMHO, the problem with sources of Org manual is not that much of a big deal. Eli favours all the manuals to be in .texi format because it is standard. However, the current situation is certainly not _that_ unbearable to the level where we need to consider drastic measures like removing the whole Org from Emacs. Not even close. The far more important discussion here is about Org as potential replacement to Texinfo (after Org is modified to support software manual-specific markup). I am not an expert in Texinfo, so I cannot judge if it is a good call or not. On Texinfo side, there might be problems existing in Texinfo that will not exist in Org, as I recall from previous discussions. But I cannot tell any specifics. On Org side, Org allows fine-tuned configuration of export for each individual export target. And generating parts of the manuals programmatically. AFAIK, this is not easily possible in Texinfo. -- Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at . Support Org development at , or support my work at