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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:316552 Archived-At: Po Lu writes: >> You are aware that Tramp is a package on its own, maintained outside the >> Emacs repository? > > I was under the impression that maintainers of such packages are > expected to merge changes applied to Emacs at whatever frequency suits > them. CC Mode and Org Mode both observe this protocol, for what it's > worth. And so does Tramp. The problem isn't the frequency, but the amount of changes you have applied w/o synchronization. >> I would have appreciated if you had contacted the maintainer prior >> pushing such substantial changes. And you make it hard to decide, >> whether your (architectural) approach is best suited, now that it has >> landed already in Emacs master. At least pushing to a separate branch >> would be required. Even better, if this process happens in the Tramp >> repository. > > OK, sorry. However, we have until Emacs 30.1 to decide whether this > feature is ideal for Emacs, so there's no shortage of time. No shortage of time. But restrictions in what we can change afterwards. FWIW, after a very very first look on your code I'm even not convinced we need a new Tramp backend for what you want to achieve. Michael.