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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 9fff542898f016ca85db2acda38120d0; Sun, 23 Jun 2024 14:37:19 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: (Daniel Colascione's message of "Sun, 23 Jun 2024 10:28:05 -0400") X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.22407 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Received-SPF: pass client-ip=66.163.185.31; envelope-from=luangruo@yahoo.com; helo=sonic313-56.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:320540 Archived-At: Daniel Colascione writes: > Well, yes? It's of marginal interest because it's not > discoverable. It's nevertheless useful. More people would use the > package if it were discoverable. I don't think the logic is terribly > complicated here. C-x 4 is more discoverable than is (emacs)Window Convenience? That is an exceptional statement that calls for exceptional evidence. > It continues to astound me that people want to put many hours into a > project yet insist they're indifferent between its success and > failure. How does the success or failure of an _Emacs_ package (Doom Emacs) produce the opposite outcome for Emacs? If anything I would expect it to be our duty to wish and help them achieve success, and never to treat them as adversaries. > I'm waiting for such an example. You've bound C-x 4 down to > something. Fine. That binding would continue to work if Emacs came > with C-x 4 already bound to something else. That's how defaults > work. Can you please explain the actual problem that providing these > new default bindings would cause for your workflow? The next user who drops by my computer types C-x 4 down and finds himself staring at an open web browser, Emacs nowhere in sight.