From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Shutko Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [Fwd: [arch-users] Re: Gud lord!] Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 20:47:19 -0500 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <87ptlo58ew.fsf@wesley.springies.com> References: <1055034587.1439.121.camel@lan1> <87el256zha.fsf@wesley.springies.com> <20030609011846.GB19331@reactor-core.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1055123194 17235 80.91.224.249 (9 Jun 2003 01:46:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 01:46:34 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 09 03:46:31 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19PBjz-0004Tf-00 for ; Mon, 09 Jun 2003 03:46:31 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 19PC3l-00030L-00 for ; Mon, 09 Jun 2003 04:06:58 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19PBlK-0001ih-Mk for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Sun, 08 Jun 2003 21:47:54 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19PBl1-0001V3-RK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Jun 2003 21:47:35 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19PBkz-0001Q4-JE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Jun 2003 21:47:34 -0400 Original-Received: from remt24.cluster1.charter.net ([209.225.8.34]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19PBkx-0001LA-FT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Jun 2003 21:47:31 -0400 Original-Received: from [24.171.116.220] (HELO wesley.springies.com) by remt24.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.0.6) with ESMTP id 54968012; Sun, 08 Jun 2003 21:47:30 -0400 Original-Received: from ats by wesley.springies.com with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 19PBkv-0005w7-00; Sun, 08 Jun 2003 20:47:29 -0500 Original-To: Jonathan Walther In-Reply-To: <20030609011846.GB19331@reactor-core.org> (Jonathan Walther's message of "Sun, 8 Jun 2003 18:18:46 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.1003 (Gnus v5.10.3) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:14931 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:14931 Jonathan Walther writes: > I can't take the time to learn how to use that wheel-barrow, I have a > foundation to dig; I'll just keep carrying the dirt over to the pile a > shovelful at a time. That's a very bad analogy, since CVS is currently working, you just have pain when renaming files. (Besides, it doesn't make sense. Does anyone dig foundations by hand? If you are, your wheelbarrow is the least of your problems. Maybe you could have an analogy with construction equipment, but if asked in the middle of a task to switch and retrain on new equipment with a completely different interface and design philosophy, most builders would laugh at you.) >>And since arch is immature > > Arch is usably mature, with multiple implementations in various > languages. How many years of experience has arch had? The implementation(s) may be perfectly mature, but that doesn't mean that people's understanding of it is. If you'd like to see Emacs using arch, since arch is so decentralized, maybe you or Robert could start maintaining an Emacs arch repository. You could then figure out what the best setup for Emacs development would be, which would make it much easier for an eventual wholesale switch, since the rest of the developers could take advantage of your knowledge. -- Alan Shutko - I am the rocks. Looking for a developer in St. Louis? http://web.springies.com/~ats/